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Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Jul 27, 2005 7:46:59 am PDT #3228 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

If someone hands me money above a certain amount, whether it's my parents, my boss, or some random rich wacko who thinks I'm just that cute, I get taxed on it.

What it is, apparently, is if your parents (say) bought a bunch of IBM stock in the 60s (say), when you inherit the stock certificates, you pay taxes on today's value of the stocks even if you don't sell them. (Right?) Which to me sounds like bullshit. Do you pay again when you sell them?


tommyrot - Jul 27, 2005 7:47:03 am PDT #3229 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

But as it stands now, if someone hands me a necklace which costs a million and five dollars, I only have to pay taxes on the five bucks.

But only if the person is dead.


bon bon - Jul 27, 2005 7:48:36 am PDT #3230 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Isn't it income? If someone hands me money above a certain amount, whether it's my parents, my boss, or some random rich wacko who thinks I'm just that cute, I get taxed on it. Why would that change just because the giver is dead?

1. Gifts are not taxed until they reach a certain amount because, double dipping ($11,000/yr). Over that it's subject to a tax for the same reason as all the other double dipping taxes-- because they can tax it. But generally gifts are not considered taxable.
2. Wages are not taxable to the employer.

ETA: I made a mistake: the basis is not taxable to you.


Calli - Jul 27, 2005 7:48:52 am PDT #3231 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

if someone hands you a necklace of huge expensive diamonds or a racehorse or mansion or something and you have to sell it to pay the taxes on it

That's still looking like income to me. As I understand it, if I win a Ferrari on a game show, that's seen as taxable income. Why should that change if I was given the same car by a person who'd just died?


bon bon - Jul 27, 2005 7:51:30 am PDT #3232 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

What it is, apparently, is if your parents (say) bought a bunch of IBM stock in the 60s (say), when you inherit the stock certificates, you pay taxes on today's value of the stocks even if you don't sell them. (Right?) Which to me sounds like bullshit. Do you pay again when you sell them?

Right, and you pay the capital gains when you sell them. I.e., I buy a stock for $60K. I die and you get the stock, now worth $300K. You pay estate taxes on $300K. You later sell them for $450K. You then pay cap gains tax on $150K.

Without the estate tax I think you would pay taxes on 450K-60K, or 390K, when the stock is eventually sold.


Calli - Jul 27, 2005 7:51:31 am PDT #3233 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

1. Gifts are not taxable until they reach a certain amount because, double dipping ($11,000/yr).

I thought that inherited income (however we're defining that--houses, cars, piles of gold doubloons) wasn't taxed until it reached a million.


bon bon - Jul 27, 2005 7:52:39 am PDT #3234 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Gifts are not inherited income as far as the tax law is concerned; it applies to gifts while the giver is still living.


§ ita § - Jul 27, 2005 7:53:01 am PDT #3235 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I buy a stock for $60K. I die and you get the stock, now worth $300K. You pay estate taxes on $300K.

Inheriting is expensive, especially if the market crashes the day after you pay tax.


Jesse - Jul 27, 2005 7:53:40 am PDT #3236 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

You pay estate taxes on $300K. You later sell them for $450K. You then pay cap gains tax on $150K.

Oh, OK. That's not as bad as I thought.

Randomly, I am extremely pleased with my current ability to understand this stuff.


Jesse - Jul 27, 2005 7:54:23 am PDT #3237 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh, and in other taxable news, prizes are totally taxed, so don't go on The Price Is Right and win a car if you're broke.