Well, if we followed the recipe...should be cake. A demon-violence-free-zone cake.

Lorne ,'Why We Fight'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Jul 20, 2005 8:46:16 am PDT #1481 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

How a guy used Google Maps to get out of a traffic ticket: [link]


Jesse - Jul 20, 2005 8:51:45 am PDT #1482 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That's hilarious. But honestly, who would argue that 110th is one way?!?!


Jessica - Jul 20, 2005 8:53:58 am PDT #1483 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But honestly, who would argue that 110th is one way?!?!

I know! Must have been his first day on the job.


Jesse - Jul 20, 2005 8:54:54 am PDT #1484 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

If nothing else, it's just a fact -- it's not a judgement call. There had to be people in the hall or something who could have confirmed it.


Allyson - Jul 20, 2005 8:55:42 am PDT #1485 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

While I agree with Robin and Allyson that we're due for a swing back in the other direction, and I think that's the most likely outcome (though who knows whether that swing will come in 1, 5, or 10 years), I

But in all fairness, the changes in this country that occured after McCarthyism didn't come about from liberal handwringing while blogging on their asses, it was the result of pretty hardcore activism. People died, were murdered, and beaten while fighting for civil rights.

And i wonder if people will do the same for abortion rights. I wonder if I'll get off my ass and risk the dogs and the hoses for abortion rights. I hope I have that within me. I'm not sure.


Jesse - Jul 20, 2005 8:59:47 am PDT #1486 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

The problem with abortion is, I don't think Roe actually will be overturned, because they've won too effectively for too many people already, so they don't have to make that big deal, giving pro-choicers something to organize around. Abortion isn't all that available in this country, thanks to terrorists, and state and local regulations, and medical schools being lame.


tommyrot - Jul 20, 2005 9:00:07 am PDT #1487 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Meanwhile, tax policy of this country seems to be swinging back to the 1890s....


Allyson - Jul 20, 2005 9:04:44 am PDT #1488 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Jesse, you've sort of nailed something for me that Kat has spoken about before, and I've come to appreciate.

I live in California, and before that, I lived in Massachusetts. I knew exactly where I could get birth control and/or an abortion, and it didn't seem to be much of a big deal at all. I really do believe there are two Americas, and I've lived in the free states, and so my understanding of "how things really are" in terms of reproductive rights in the US is skewed by that experience.


Jesse - Jul 20, 2005 9:10:35 am PDT #1489 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I remember there used to be a woman who flew her own plane around I forget where -- Dakotas? -- because she was literally the only doctor for hundreds of miles who was willing to provide abortions. And I think she either retired or died a few years ago (she was old). I think the urban/rural divide is even more important than the "red state"/"blue state" thing when it comes down to access.


juliana - Jul 20, 2005 9:11:22 am PDT #1490 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I live in California, and before that, I lived in Massachusetts. I knew exactly where I could get birth control and/or an abortion, and it didn't seem to be much of a big deal at all.

You've also lived near large cities, if memory serves. So do I, and I know precisely where I need to go. However, some women in the same state as me, the state I used to consider a "free state", have to drive over 5 hours to find the nearest abortion clinic. Women in Duluth and the Iron Range - the northern part of the state - have nowhere near them since the Duluth Clinic was forced to close. And now we have a mandatory 24-hour waiting period where the woman has to come into the clinic, get the informational pamphlets and the beejesus scared out of her by some trumped-up report that links abortion and breast cancer, and then has to come back the next day for the procedure. A lot of women can't afford that, and so a little more gets chipped away....

ETA: Or, what Jesse said.