The problem with abortion is, I don't think Roe actually will be overturned, because they've won too effectively for too many people already, so they don't have to make that big deal, giving pro-choicers something to organize around. Abortion isn't all that available in this country, thanks to terrorists, and state and local regulations, and medical schools being lame.
Wesley: Feng Shui. Gunn: Right. What's that mean again? Wesley: That people will believe anything. Actually, in this place, Feng Shui will probably have enormous significance. I'll align my furniture the wrong way and suddenly catch fire or turn into a pudding.
'Conviction (1)'
Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Jesse - Jul 20, 2005 8:59:47 am PDT #1486 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
tommyrot - Jul 20, 2005 9:00:07 am PDT #1487 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Meanwhile, tax policy of this country seems to be swinging back to the 1890s....
Allyson - Jul 20, 2005 9:04:44 am PDT #1488 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Jesse, you've sort of nailed something for me that Kat has spoken about before, and I've come to appreciate.
I live in California, and before that, I lived in Massachusetts. I knew exactly where I could get birth control and/or an abortion, and it didn't seem to be much of a big deal at all. I really do believe there are two Americas, and I've lived in the free states, and so my understanding of "how things really are" in terms of reproductive rights in the US is skewed by that experience.
Jesse - Jul 20, 2005 9:10:35 am PDT #1489 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
I remember there used to be a woman who flew her own plane around I forget where -- Dakotas? -- because she was literally the only doctor for hundreds of miles who was willing to provide abortions. And I think she either retired or died a few years ago (she was old). I think the urban/rural divide is even more important than the "red state"/"blue state" thing when it comes down to access.
juliana - Jul 20, 2005 9:11:22 am PDT #1490 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…
I live in California, and before that, I lived in Massachusetts. I knew exactly where I could get birth control and/or an abortion, and it didn't seem to be much of a big deal at all.
You've also lived near large cities, if memory serves. So do I, and I know precisely where I need to go. However, some women in the same state as me, the state I used to consider a "free state", have to drive over 5 hours to find the nearest abortion clinic. Women in Duluth and the Iron Range - the northern part of the state - have nowhere near them since the Duluth Clinic was forced to close. And now we have a mandatory 24-hour waiting period where the woman has to come into the clinic, get the informational pamphlets and the beejesus scared out of her by some trumped-up report that links abortion and breast cancer, and then has to come back the next day for the procedure. A lot of women can't afford that, and so a little more gets chipped away....
ETA: Or, what Jesse said.
Scrappy - Jul 20, 2005 9:12:21 am PDT #1491 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!
A co-worker is jonesing for a Jamiacan Beef patty. As HR person, I feel I should do what I can to help the poor dude. Anyone know where one can get good restaurant or frozen ones in LA?
P.M. Marc - Jul 20, 2005 9:13:59 am PDT #1492 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I think the urban/rural divide is even more important than the "red state"/"blue state" thing when it comes down to access.
This is true in my state, at least. The local weekly occasionally runs stories on the lack of abortion providers outside of the I-5 corridor.
Jesse - Jul 20, 2005 9:14:05 am PDT #1493 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Anyway, this year I'm more concerned about people who think torturing prisoners is OK.
I know nothing about beef patties in LA, Robin, sorry.
Tom Scola - Jul 20, 2005 9:14:40 am PDT #1494 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
Probably not coincidentally, there's a recipe in today's NYT: [link]
Gudanov - Jul 20, 2005 9:15:10 am PDT #1495 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping
I think the urban/rural divide is even more important than the "red state"/"blue state" thing.
There is a huge divide between urban/rural here in Missouri. Lots of issues come down to St. Louis and Kansas City vs. the rest of the state. It makes election results interesting because the results can be very misleading if one of the two urban cores reports late.