And the thing is, I like my evil like I like my men: evil. You know, straight up, black hat, tied to the train tracks, soon my electro-ray will destroy metropolis BAD.

Buffy ,'Sleeper'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 20, 2005 5:51:51 am PDT #1435 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I've never, ever felt this kind of helpless anger and disconnection before, and it's a constant struggle not to just say "you know what, fuck us. We got the government we asked for, and now we get to reap the rewards."

I think that what were seeing is the people who felt just this way when the Democrats were (mostly) in charge of everything (roughly from FDR until Reagan - Ike and Nixon detours aside) are now getting things their way. It would certainly explain the level of vindictiveness and the whole "we're still the victims even though we're in charge of all 3 government branches" mentality.


Nutty - Jul 20, 2005 5:53:05 am PDT #1436 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

After Scalia's dissent in Lawrence v. Texas

This would be the obnox factor. He's an incredibly sore loser, and I find he's a sore winner, too. It's not just that I personally find it annoying and embarrassing, that public speech can be so snarly-nasty, but I also expect more decorum out of our Supremes.

They require those who come to argue before them to wear morning coats, you know. If you're going to get all formal with the cut of a man's suit, I should think the cut of a man's tongue (or pen) would matter too.


Jesse - Jul 20, 2005 5:54:23 am PDT #1437 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Good point, Frank. It's exactly the people who, when they were the age I am now, were thinking, "Things are as bad as they've ever been in my lifetime," who are now in charge.


Volans - Jul 20, 2005 5:55:37 am PDT #1438 of 10002
move out and draw fire

I think that what were seeing is the people who felt just this way when the Democrats were (mostly) in charge

I think people just want strong authority figures, and the Dems are really bad at that.


DavidS - Jul 20, 2005 5:55:56 am PDT #1439 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It's the will of the people, right?

The whole Constitution is designed to keep the will of the people from getting too obnoxious. The founders were well aware of the public's ability to swing far in one direction and consciously sought to mitigate those swings.

It's kind of a bad bit of timing though that Clinton didn't get to nominate that many Supremes during an eight year run. It was sandwiched by 12 years of Republicans on one side and 8 years of Republicans on the other.

It is disheartening though.


Calli - Jul 20, 2005 5:56:26 am PDT #1440 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I find his stated opinion on Roe vs. Wade disturbing. Given my druthers I'd rather have someone who said that abortion was the choice of the pregnant woman, period, full-stop. But I don't know if we could get that someone through the Senate at the moment. Roberts may be as good as we're going to get at the moment, scary though that is.

In utterly unrelated news, I've been toying with the idea of going back to school for my MLS. Partially because I like the thought of being a librarian, and partly because I'm thinking it might make me a bit more employable. There's a school in town (NC Central University) where I could get my degree through a mix of evening and online classes. Do any current librarians have an opinion? Am I dreaming about the whole better employability thing (my current degrees are in English, so I'm thinking it's all kinda relative)?


Gudanov - Jul 20, 2005 5:57:39 am PDT #1441 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

I think things are really crazy right now.

We're spending about as much money on our military (not counting the cost of the war) as the rest of the world combined and in we keeping hearing how we need a stronger military.

We're the only industralized country without universal health care and we're spending about twice as much per capita on health care. And as medical costs are driving more and more bankruptcies, the solution is to toughen bankruptcy laws.

We have huge deficits and an expensive war and we pass tax cut after tax cut.

We have a tremendous concentration of wealth at the top and tax cut after tax cut that benefits the most wealthy gets passed.

With warning after warning about Global warming and the simple economics of growing oil demand in the World, our energy policies make tax subsidies for oil companies a higher priority than alternative energy technologies.

There is the war in which over 25,000 people have died and that all the justifications made beforehand have proven to be false. Yet no one is held responsible.

It just seems like I could go on and on...


Frankenbuddha - Jul 20, 2005 6:01:51 am PDT #1442 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Good point, Frank. It's exactly the people who, when they were the age I am now, were thinking, "Things are as bad as they've ever been in my lifetime," who are now in charge.

And in a lot of cases I think it wasn't the issues per se (civil rights, women's rights, increasing secularization, etc.), but the way some people's perception was that they got rammed down their throats. Granted, you can get into a long and heated discussion that things wouldn't have changed if the issues hadn't been forced, and I also know there were many who vehemently opposed those changes on any level.


Jesse - Jul 20, 2005 6:05:09 am PDT #1443 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

And in a lot of cases I think it wasn't the issues per se (civil rights, women's rights, increasing secularization, etc.), but the way some people's perception was that they got rammed down their throats.

And people thought Carter was a jackass as president, right?


Sue - Jul 20, 2005 6:05:24 am PDT #1444 of 10002
hip deep in pie

What was your advice?

Charlie.