Jayne: Yeah, that was some pretty risky sittin' you did there. Wash: That's right, of course, 'cause they wouldn't arrest me if we got boarded, I'm just the pilot. I can always say I was flying the ship by accident.

'Serenity'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sue - Jul 20, 2005 6:05:24 am PDT #1444 of 10002
hip deep in pie

What was your advice?

Charlie.


Volans - Jul 20, 2005 6:07:42 am PDT #1445 of 10002
move out and draw fire

I think things are really crazy right now

It makes a lot more sense if you are really really rich. And own oil companies.

This is the main thing that bugs me about the "will of the people" though - I see that "will" as coming from a position of ignorance. I talk to so many Republicans who are okay with everything their party does for the insanely wealthy because they believe that they themselves are or soon will be part of that group. Just as soon as they get their raise from $60,000 to $65,000, they'll be in the American elite. When Bush revoked the inheiritance tax, they were happy...I asked "Why? Do you actually have a million dollars to leave to your heirs?" They had no idea it only kicked in at $1 million.

I could go on, but I will spare you.


bon bon - Jul 20, 2005 6:07:59 am PDT #1446 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Arrgh, aargh, aargh. I hope I only have to say this once: Roberts was the sixth listed name on a brief where Roe was stated to have been bad law. HE DID NOT PERSONALLY SAY THAT. A lawyer should NEVER be confused with the positions of a client. Even more so a government lawyer should never be confused with the position of the entire administration. As someone I read this morning noted:

Perhaps anticipating the objection that Roberts was merely representing the administration's views, Bazelon notes the "stark language" of the brief Roberts co-wrote, but this hardly makes the case. Attorneys have an ethical obligation to zealously advocate the position of their clients. An attorney in Roberts position had an express duty to advance his client’s – the federal government's – policy position as effectively as possible. If this meant attacking Roe head on (after all, Roberts did win the case, even if Roe was not overturned), Roberts would have been derelict in his duty had he softened the claim. This is particularly important because in the case of John Roberts, we are not talking about some wild-eyed zealot. Rather, we are talking about one of the most accomplished appellate advocates in the nation. The idea that the specific language used in a legal brief advancing his client’s position establishes Roberts' personal views is quite a stretch, and is dangerously close to suggesting that one should impute the positions of former clients to the nominees (at least if they are presented in forceful terms).

Roberts is good pick. All this hand-wringing over the Rust brief is wrongheaded and really irritating.

Oh, and, I've never been convinced that Thomas is an idiot. Would anyone care to prove it to me?


brenda m - Jul 20, 2005 6:10:10 am PDT #1447 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

It just seems like I could go on and on...

You could. But I challenge you to find one single thing on that list that the current powers actually acknowledge as a problem.

And in a lot of cases I think it wasn't the issues per se (civil rights, women's rights, increasing secularization, etc.), but the way some people's perception was that they got rammed down their throats.

Uh huh. And the exact same arguments were made about reconstruction in the post Civil War south. I don't mean that you don't make a good point, just - I'm so tired of that argument, and I think it's very often (not here) made disingenously.


Fred Pete - Jul 20, 2005 6:12:38 am PDT #1448 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

In utterly unrelated news, I've been toying with the idea of going back to school for my MLS.

Calli, I looked into the same at a particuarly depressed time in my career. I'll note only that at the time, UNC was ranked #1 (or was it tied for #1) in that area.


Jesse - Jul 20, 2005 6:15:05 am PDT #1449 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I do find it highly unlikely that someone who was an ACTUAL idiot to rise to the level of the Supreme Court. Or President, for that matter. I still think I'd rather sit in a room and talk with Cheney than Bush, but I don't think Bush is ACTUALLY stupid.


Megan E. - Jul 20, 2005 6:18:51 am PDT #1450 of 10002

What was your advice?

Charlie.

Did you give a lot of "ewww, icks" in regard to Herbie?


amych - Jul 20, 2005 6:19:59 am PDT #1451 of 10002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Calli, I've been looking into library school too, and I gotta say, my impression hasn't been that it's all that much more employable than English. That said, what do you want to do with it? I've known people who have gone to NCCU and had good experiences there; they (I mean the school, not the students I've known there, but I'm too lazy to fix my sentence to make it clear) seems to do best in public and school librarianship, whereas UNC is definitely the big dog in the area when it comes to academic/research libraries and information science.

I'm pretty sure flea has at least toyed with the idea of going to one or the other as well, and she probably knows more than I do (as she works in the real live library and not the IT shop that happens to be in the library).


Steph L. - Jul 20, 2005 6:20:07 am PDT #1452 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I've never, ever felt this kind of helpless anger and disconnection before

Since about 9 p.m. the night of the 2004 election, I've felt like an alien in my own country. I literally cannot put myself in the place of people who voted this administration to power, so that I can try to understand their mindset. I can't. It would be like asking me to read Sanskrit. I cannot understand why anyone would want things to be this way.

This is the main thing that bugs me about the "will of the people" though - I see that "will" as coming from a position of ignorance. I talk to so many Republicans who are okay with everything their party does for the insanely wealthy because they believe that they themselves are or soon will be part of that group. Just as soon as they get their raise from $60,000 to $65,000, they'll be in the American elite. When Bush revoked the inheiritance tax, they were happy...I asked "Why? Do you actually have a million dollars to leave to your heirs?" They had no idea it only kicked in at $1 million.

Yes, this. I said this before the election. You get these completely uninformed middle-class Republicans who vote for the current administration because they really believe that it will mean more money in their middle-class pockets. Ignorant. And they fucked this country for the illusion of money that's never going to come their way.


Calli - Jul 20, 2005 6:20:21 am PDT #1453 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

UNC was ranked #1 (or was it tied for #1) in that area.

Hmmmm. There is that. NCSU is closer and probably cheaper, but I don't know how it's ranked. I'll have to look into that. Thanks Fred!