Hooray, the mens clothing thread is back in action.

Buy him the shirt and give him a gift receipt. Done deal. Make him work for it.

When it's come to my father and other guys whose closets I've been familiar with they've certainly had shirts sized by neck and sleeve measurements.

This is because the guys you're familiar with have necks like oxen and pectorals to match.

Yes, my father wears Brooks Brothers, too. But you sure do see a lot of "Medium" and "Large" men's shirts in the stores.

I'm not going to be able to stop giggling at that.

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John doesn't have to pick up Tim's dry cleaning?

This is because the guys you're familiar with have necks like oxen and pectorals to match.

Colin and my father and, well, most of the guys whose closets I've been in are looking at you real funny. I'm not sure why they don't shop like the average guy, but it's not because they're shaped like that.

Any of Paul's button-downs have at least a neck measurement. I don't know if they get more specific than that, and have like, 16 Gorilla Arms Pot Belly or 16 Stumpy Limb Thin Guy or something. But they are slightly more specific than S/M/L.

Casual wear, OTOH, is all about the letters, in shirts at least.

We really should get John a login here so we can ask him those important questions.

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Any of Paul's button-downs have at least a neck measurement. I don't know if they get more specific than that, and have like, 16 Gorilla Arms Pot Belly or 16 Stumpy Limb Thin Guy or something. But they are slightly more specific than S/M/L.

What Plei said. Usually those shirts have both neck and sleeve measurements, which when taken together are going to account for how much fabric is needed to go around his middle (e.g. shortish arms and a big neck = chubby; longish arms and big neck = not chubby, just big; long arms, small neck = tall and skinny; shorter arms, small neck, not skinny, just small). This isn't just a fancy Brooks Brothers thing. Even Van Heusen measures neck and sleeve.

Also? Although men's clothing is less confusing in some ways, it's more confusing when all the articles men wear over their upper bodies are referred to simply as 'shirts'.

I refuse to play. If the shirt buttons all the way from collar to bottom, and has sleeves that button at the cuff, it's a blouse, darn it, and I'm calling it a blouse.

I also call men's non-jeans, non-casual pants trousers, or slacks, if I'm in a mood.

I have nothing to say about men's fashion, despite wearing them myself. However, since we're down to less than 200 posts, I thought I'd contribute to the thread's demise.