And the thing is, I like my evil like I like my men: evil. You know, straight up, black hat, tied to the train tracks, soon my electro-ray will destroy metropolis BAD.

Buffy ,'Sleeper'


The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Tim Minear - Apr 23, 2006 4:08:14 pm PDT #9506 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

And your Sondheim references. Well, I guess that's really Betsydom. Still.


libkitty - Apr 23, 2006 4:42:23 pm PDT #9507 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

In fandom, you don't have to include all the backstory when you're commenting on something. When I'm comparing something in SG-1 to Christianity in my class, I have to explain what SG-1 is and why something on a SciFi show might relate to real life and still people look at me like a weirdo because I watch TV and have a brain. Here, people get it.


§ ita § - Apr 23, 2006 4:59:12 pm PDT #9508 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

In a whole bunch of sharing with some kravvers (there's an odd fandom, right there), I mentioned that my "Other Interests" section on my day job's intranet was basically "Teaches krav maga and watches television."

The instructor I was talking to was quite surprised. Didn't think I was the type to watch more than ten minutes of TV. I told him, no, I'd recently come to accept that TV was a hobby of mine, the way some people follow sports.

I think in LA, that might be easier to get across than in other places--he came down to "Oh, I dated a woman who followed TV like that, but she was in the business."

I don't think he was ready for the full fandom discussion.


DebetEsse - Apr 23, 2006 5:27:02 pm PDT #9509 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Yeah, outside of LA (or at least in Education), where people are really proud of not watching any tv, it is not, in general, considered a reasonable hobby. This is, IMO, unreasonable, but it's not like I'm convincing most of them of most of my other quirks, either.


Gris - Apr 23, 2006 6:15:46 pm PDT #9510 of 10001
Hey. New board.

TV is teh awesome!

I actually just watched the pilot of the West Wing. Looks like I might enjoy it a bit. I'm more excited for Aaron Sorkin's new show, though - it's the West Wing, but about television!


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 23, 2006 6:19:53 pm PDT #9511 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Considering I have Buffy fandom to thank for more than half of my friends today, I refuse to be embarrassed about geeking out over a TV show.


DebetEsse - Apr 23, 2006 6:30:17 pm PDT #9512 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Gris, you haven't seen West Wing? The first few seasons are really amazing. I'm definitely curious to see the new show.

I tend to wax rhapsodic about the power of narrative. I consider it a diversionary, but not dishonest, tactic. I'd rather save my fights for policy stuff, with people I know from work and potential work. Other people, it depends on my mood. But I'm way less embarassed about pretty much anything I watch than having read Angels and Demons (It was there. I needed something to read during down time at work.)


Tamara - Apr 23, 2006 6:39:15 pm PDT #9513 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

I work for an entertainment company, live in LA and people still think I'm weird for watching television. Maybe it has to do with the fact that I have an opinion about what I watch. I don't know.


Allyson - Apr 23, 2006 6:43:50 pm PDT #9514 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

In my entire book, I don't actually talk about television at all. Oddly, I'm listening to "I Can't Take My Eyes Off You" by Melanie Doane. A love song about television.

I'm just now getting into why I loved Buffy so, and what that had in common with my love of fandom.

But since all roads lead back to Minearverse, I remember at that panel where we saw Tim talk about teevee, and the mod asked what he thought about people who had snobby attitudes about television. Like it was beneath them.

Tim said, "I run them down with my Mercedes."


Tamara - Apr 23, 2006 7:04:32 pm PDT #9515 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

"I run them down with my Mercedes."

This is my goal in life. To have that attitude and means if not the car. And it was hysterical when he said it.