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[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Kat - Dec 05, 2005 5:05:03 pm PST #6718 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I too have to admit that I love Blake. He's totally a Marry. His writing may have been dense and possibly indicating bat-shit-craziness, but his illustrations, particularly the illuminated prints, indicate he was visionary in the truest sense.

Also, his take on divinity, that the true Divinity would never be punitive and malicious (so unlike Dante), is the most sensical of all of them.

And, finally, he's also a Marry because when his wife couldn't conceive and the other Swedenborgians suggested they get a surrogate or concubine as would be acceptable in Swedenborgian rules, he didn't because his wife didn't want him to.

And, he taught her to read and become an illustrator too.

Blake's a keeper.

to me, Dante is always a chucker.


DavidS - Dec 05, 2005 8:55:35 pm PST #6719 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

For the record, Blake was happily married and had lots of lusty sex with his wife.

eta: oops, Kat already updated that record with Blake's M-ness.


Kat - Dec 05, 2005 8:58:06 pm PST #6720 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

And, with that list, there are plenty of problems (Dante was a bitter exile, Milton's blindness) that might be deciding factors.


Nilly - Dec 05, 2005 10:19:34 pm PST #6721 of 10001
Swouncing

I feel so ignorant, even from just skimming in this thread.

[Edit: both in popular culture and in the more traditional classic one. The most I can get to is guess which name belongs to which period. I hope.]


JZ - Dec 06, 2005 3:48:24 am PST #6722 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Blake and Dante are both keepers for me. But then, I am a Purgatorio and Paradisio-preferring freak, so what do I know.

F/C/M Blake, Dante, Donne--that'd be almost undoable for me; on balance with both Blake and Donne, I could barely, just barely, chuck Dante, but deciding between the other two would be agony. And replace Dante with either of the Brownings, and I'd be completely immobilized.

Young John Dunne.

Older John Dunne.

Sigh. Wild-living crazy young poet, all about the God and the sex and the ecstatic intertwining of all the pleasures. He's like the proto-Prince.

I feel so ignorant, even from just skimming in this thread.

Oh, hush, you, higher-math-loving Physics Girl.


amych - Dec 06, 2005 3:59:22 am PST #6723 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I'd have to go F Donne and M Blake in JZ incredibly painfully difficult scenario -- if only because of Blake's yummy sex-ay marital history above, and the fact that Donne's crazy ecstatic thing peaked early. I'd be all "honey, whatever happened to the astoundingly dirty sonnets? all your astoundingly dirty sonnets are about God, anymore" and that's just no good for a marriage. Still, it wasn't an easy choice.


§ ita § - Dec 06, 2005 4:00:12 am PST #6724 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"honey, whatever happened to the astoundingly dirty sonnets? all your astoundingly dirty sonnets are about God, anymore"

So he's like Prince? Finally, something in this conversation to which I can draw a parallel.


amych - Dec 06, 2005 4:03:02 am PST #6725 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Exactly.


JZ - Dec 06, 2005 4:44:38 am PST #6726 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I'd be all "honey, whatever happened to the astoundingly dirty sonnets? all your astoundingly dirty sonnets are about God, anymore" and that's just no good for a marriage.

Although, dude, if you were Donne's wife, he'd have gone to prison for you. How hot is that? He secretly married his boss's daughter and spent some weeks in Fleet Prison for it; when neither he nor she would renounce the marriage, he was released. They spent the next few years poor and semi-desperate (in addition to being a poet and a sailor, he was a lawyer, though not a prosperous one), and her father didn't deign to acknowledge her again until eight years later.

They also apparently had lots and lots of Teh Sex, poor things--she had twelve children in sixteen years and died in childbirth. But he was totally smitten with her, suffered for her and worked like a dog for her, and turned to God after she died because he didn't see much point to worldly pleasures if she wasn't around to share them with him.

So that's the basics of Donne. If you could just throw in some good reliable birth control, you'd have one hell of an M.


Sophia Brooks - Dec 06, 2005 4:59:38 am PST #6727 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I'm with amych-- F Donne, M Blake, C Dante. Although Donne's God Sonnets were still pretty sexy, Blake seems a more steady match.