Don't kill anyone if you don't have to. We're here to make a deal.

Mal ,'Serenity'


The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Tim Minear - Jul 03, 2005 11:31:17 am PDT #576 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

Ginger and Wolfram, thanks both. I do think good shows can stay on television. But they have to be launched. And it can be done. It's a network's job to bring the audience, it's our job to keep that audience and grow it. I've just had more bad launches than the space shuttle program. And re-entry is a bitch.


Kristen - Jul 03, 2005 11:36:24 am PDT #577 of 10001

With their endless CSIs

Hey now, don't hate the player, hate the game.


§ ita § - Jul 03, 2005 11:37:00 am PDT #578 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You know, I'm very frustrated by the British short series ... except I do cheris the 13 disc sets of good shows that failed in the US. It's not as satisfying as running forever (and still rocking), but thank DOG we ehave the market and the technology to get these out.

And bless, Tim, for arcing with that in mind. Sure, it hurts to not have a show you enjoy, but that awful hanging feeling is a bit mitigated. And it makes it easier to pretend the network would have ruined it with notes later. Also sad to think that the writers you like don't have their show, but, hey, bring on the next one. One'll stick, or more'll come. I want to stay attached to that.


lilserf - Jul 03, 2005 11:38:10 am PDT #579 of 10001
Friends don't let friends dismiss Veronica Mars unjustly.

Hey now, don't hate the player, hate the game.

I'm not saying CSI is bad. It's not my cup of tea, but I see the appeal. I just don't think we need 3 CSIs and no The Inside.


Stephanie - Jul 03, 2005 11:38:23 am PDT #580 of 10001
Trust my rage

Having a new baby means that I haven't watched more than the first show live. However, I've finally seen them all. The last one was my favorite. I could go on about everything I liked about it, but the bottomline is that the show really grew on me. I loved so much of the dialogue last week.

I'm sad that show won't be around more. Tim, I've liked all your TV so far and I'm looking forward to whatever comes next. I'm looking forward to watching the series, whether it's on TV or DVD.


lilserf - Jul 03, 2005 11:41:49 am PDT #581 of 10001
Friends don't let friends dismiss Veronica Mars unjustly.

ita's right that arcing for 13 episodes is a wonderful thing in these situations. Wonderfalls DVDs were so nice because of that, and left me much less angry than the cut-off-in-the-middle Firefly set.

We might not get a second season, but at least we get an awesome 13-hour miniseries.


Kevin - Jul 03, 2005 11:42:25 am PDT #582 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Tim,

Two things: I love The Inside. To be honest, I knew this was coming (not in an insider knowledge way, but you know - the history education way). I thank you and your crew for putting it together. I look forward to seeing the story in full (or as full as could be told) whenever that happens.

And I don't mean that in as arse licky fan boy way as it sounds: I really did find many layers in the show I've missed since Angel Season 2 and 3 days. Darkness rocks my world.

Second: I'm not going to run a Save The Inside campaign. However, is it worth getting information out there to 'campaign' (as in, postcard) for a DVD release? Or should that hold off for now?

If only UK TV paid better, I'd kidnap you and bundle you to here. I'm actually used to your style of programming of late as it very much fits into how things work here in the UK.


Tim Minear - Jul 03, 2005 11:46:34 am PDT #583 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

Kevin, thanks. My advice is to just hang tight on the DVDs of it. When we fired up production, I got a call from 20th, the studio, and they said to make sure and keep all the cut scenes and such, that they viewed the show as a DVD project (I view all my shows on Fox as DVD projects, but that's a slightly different reading.) I don't think the studio side is going to need any convincing, and if it turns out they do, I'll let ya know.


Kiba Rika - Jul 03, 2005 11:48:43 am PDT #584 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.

Podcast.

This is what I was thinking. With, of course, archived oggs/wavs/your preferred type of file. Because I think it'd be pretty easy to set up - get Allyson, Kristen, the DVDs, and something that records digital audio with a mic all in the same room. I (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) would be happy to host the archived recordings and a page linking to all of them. Then it's just a matter of a person getting their computer/mp3 player/preferred method of listening to digital audio near their Inside episode viewing apparatus (in my case, a TV with DVR). I'm not up on the tech stuff it'd require to do the actual recording, but I've no doubt there is some Buffista who is, and I expect someone MUCH closer to LA than I am.

There was this sort of commentary for the first ep of Wonderfalls. Katie and Todd Holland did it. (It's in Shockwave format, I would hope Kristen and Allyson would be kind enough to use a more archive-friendly format.)

I'm actually used to your style of programming of late as it very much fits into how things work here in the UK.

I was going to ask about that. I seem to recall that a "season" in the UK is significantly shorter than our standard 22 episode idea. I wonder how artists feel about that. Does it leave more room for creative experimentation? Hmmmm.

...Tim, you know I love you. I also hope you know I really do enjoy the show. My boyfriend might dump me for it. (Not Rebecca or Rachel, mind you, as he doesn't like blondes even a little, but THE ACTUAL SHOW.) He LOVES it so much. He spent a workday reading reviews and came home dejected. He just keeps saying, "Why?" and now in a minute I'm going to go downstairs and tell him you weighed in on the thing. (When I said, "Someone says blah blah no more Inside," and he was like "Really? Why? Do you believe them?" I said "I'm waiting until Tim says something.")

Sad to see it (might) go, looking forward to DVDs, really hoping we can make this Allyson and Kristen Commentary thing work.


lilserf - Jul 03, 2005 11:51:28 am PDT #585 of 10001
Friends don't let friends dismiss Veronica Mars unjustly.

Battlestar Galactica's producer did podcast commentaries you could download from the SciFi website. I believe they were set up such that you pressed "Play" when the title hit the screen or something like that. Something similar would work here for buffistentaries.