Never Fade Away was on network TV. This was only the second time I've seen it. So many interesting things happen. +Angel signs away Shanshu. +Spike's perfect day is performing poetry. +Lorne leaves the team. +The Godfather killing all your enemies in one night strategy. +Does anyone survive the alley? It's the perfect ending. Anytime you talk about it you have to debate who makes it and who doesn't.

As for Spike's future can anyone see him semi-retired and mellowed, wearing a blazer and teaching poetry for an adult education night class? Then Willow shows up at the door and says, "Spike, we need you." And then they do a whole pulling the leather duster out of the trunk scene. That would rock.

Or better than Willow, Faith.

So Spike is a poor man's Indiana Jones, then?

I think Spike can be a poor man's anything, without stretching too far from canon characterizations.

I think Spike has always stretched too far from canon. The things he can and can't do or can and can't feel are always new and different with every new episode or writter.

I can only hope if the project ever does go through, he is killed off in the end and stays dead. But then again. I hope if they can ever get intrest from the networks or money people on this, they can give us Ripper. And or Faith in the same deal with their own movies.

I think the way the ended Angel is so dramatic that anything after would be a let down. Anything before or even during season five would be so much more intresting.

And please never let the phrase"Spike, we/I need you." Come from Faith's lips!

And please never let the phrase"Spike, we/I need you." Come from Faith's lips!

No. That request would have to take the form of some kind of physical violence on her part.

I'll definitely be watching the Spike movie if it happens, especially since Tim is writing it.

So Spike is a poor man's Indiana Jones, then?

Hardly. I don't want to get too fanficcy with it but when I though of it I was thinking how could he become more William than Spike present day. It doesn't have to be teaching just something that involves poetry and what make him more William and less Spike. Spike was always looking for a good fight. It was his outlet. Maybe with all the slayers running around there were less fights to be had? At least of the heavyweight variety. So with that and his realtively new conscience he wonders back to poetry and that becomes his outlet. Then when he's called upon he'd have to choose to become "Spike" again, not because he was turned and doesn't have a choice but because he does. A poor man's Indiana Jones...you realize you just accused me of hackery. Oh well at least you didn't say the Fonz when he taught auto mechanics at high school.

Ahhh...so it's not Raiders, it's Superman II.

And hackery is such a strong word. I was thinking more...ficcery.

Ahhh...so it's not Raiders, it's Superman II.

And hackery is such a strong word. I was thinking more...ficcery.

Ficcery? That's even worse!

I guess it is a similar premise except what I'm talking about would take place in the span of 10 minutes or so more to establish the character's mind set then anything else where it was more the main plot in Supe II. Besides did Clark really have a choice but to return? I think in a present day Spike story people would just assume nothing has changed if for no other reason than because they haven't been told anything's changed yet. I think opening to present day William in a blazer reciting poetry somewhere would cause people to go "WTF, do I have the right channel?" Why not take advantage of that fact that time has passed?

You realize Titanic was Romeo and Juliet on a boat, right? You can revisit premises if you can put a unique enough spin on it and your characters can bring something new to it. Didn't the ME guys used to call it an homage?