I think Spike has always stretched too far from canon. The things he can and can't do or can and can't feel are always new and different with every new episode or writter.

I can only hope if the project ever does go through, he is killed off in the end and stays dead. But then again. I hope if they can ever get intrest from the networks or money people on this, they can give us Ripper. And or Faith in the same deal with their own movies.

I think the way the ended Angel is so dramatic that anything after would be a let down. Anything before or even during season five would be so much more intresting.

And please never let the phrase"Spike, we/I need you." Come from Faith's lips!

And please never let the phrase"Spike, we/I need you." Come from Faith's lips!

No. That request would have to take the form of some kind of physical violence on her part.

I'll definitely be watching the Spike movie if it happens, especially since Tim is writing it.

So Spike is a poor man's Indiana Jones, then?

Hardly. I don't want to get too fanficcy with it but when I though of it I was thinking how could he become more William than Spike present day. It doesn't have to be teaching just something that involves poetry and what make him more William and less Spike. Spike was always looking for a good fight. It was his outlet. Maybe with all the slayers running around there were less fights to be had? At least of the heavyweight variety. So with that and his realtively new conscience he wonders back to poetry and that becomes his outlet. Then when he's called upon he'd have to choose to become "Spike" again, not because he was turned and doesn't have a choice but because he does. A poor man's Indiana Jones...you realize you just accused me of hackery. Oh well at least you didn't say the Fonz when he taught auto mechanics at high school.

Ahhh...so it's not Raiders, it's Superman II.

And hackery is such a strong word. I was thinking more...ficcery.

Ahhh...so it's not Raiders, it's Superman II.

And hackery is such a strong word. I was thinking more...ficcery.

Ficcery? That's even worse!

I guess it is a similar premise except what I'm talking about would take place in the span of 10 minutes or so more to establish the character's mind set then anything else where it was more the main plot in Supe II. Besides did Clark really have a choice but to return? I think in a present day Spike story people would just assume nothing has changed if for no other reason than because they haven't been told anything's changed yet. I think opening to present day William in a blazer reciting poetry somewhere would cause people to go "WTF, do I have the right channel?" Why not take advantage of that fact that time has passed?

You realize Titanic was Romeo and Juliet on a boat, right? You can revisit premises if you can put a unique enough spin on it and your characters can bring something new to it. Didn't the ME guys used to call it an homage?

Didn't the ME guys used to call it an homage?

Isn't homage just the French word for "blantant rip off"?

Didn't the ME guys used to call it an homage?

They kinda already did their "homage" to Superman II back in the first season of Angel with IWRY.

And, yes, almost every idea in the universe has been done already but, as you said yourself, you need to have a spin or, at least, have your characters bring something new to the story. Personally, I don't see what Spike would bring to this specific idea that's new or different or that we haven't seen before.

Campaign to get Tim to kill off Spike begins here. I'll give you $4 and a waffle, Tim. (Although, note, you'd totally get some craxy fan hate mail).

Kevin, this is not how one works with Tim. Witness the effective approach:

Tiiiiiiimmmmmmmmm, pleeeeeeeeeeeeease don't kill Spike! I love him and don't want him to die!

(Hey, I know Tim didn't kill Connor himself, but I gotta believe he had a hand in it in at least a spiritual sense.)

I think Spike has always stretched too far from canon. The things he can and can't do or can and can't feel are always new and different with every new episode or writter.

I believe it is Allyson I've seen express this best. Spike is all things to all people. It's a problem. Allyson says it much better than I do.

o with that and his realtively new conscience he wonders back to poetry and that becomes his outlet.

You'd have to convince me he ever got a conscience in the first place. (Keep in mind, I've not really watched any of S5 of Angel since it aired, so I'm likely forgetting things.)

Also? I'm thinking a Spike-bleaching-his-hair scene could be a great gag. Pretty much if Spike is around, I want to kick him for laughs. I've learned by example, you understand. We might have to reexamine the vampire mythology regarding hair growth but "vampire" and "mythology" are two words that don't really go together well in this universe anyway.

They kinda already did their "homage" to Superman II back in the first season of Angel with IWRY.

And that folks is what they call a deal breaker. I'm not well versed enough in my Angel history to recall that. Ok so I'll revise. After watching Not Fade Away it ocurred to me it might be fun to see two moments 1) to play against expectation and to see a more William than Spike guy wearing a blazer and reciting poetry present day and 2) that guy turning in the blazer to don the leather duster and become Spike again. It's more symbolic than anything else and reunites the audience with the character. To have a scene centered around Spike putting his coat on means not only is he back within the story but back for us as an audience as well. The whole poetry reading blazer thing is just something I cooked up to make the moment more dramatic and I think it would be fun to see him that way first. Maybe I took the long road but all I really wanted to emphasize was that symbolic moment and I probably took away from my point by trying to set up how it might happen.