So, how was your summer? Mine was fun. Saw some fish. Went mad with hunger. Hallucinated a whole bunch.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


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DavidS - Sep 10, 2005 8:49:28 pm PDT #3680 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

"he" being Joss?

Yeah.


Polter-Cow - Sep 10, 2005 8:59:17 pm PDT #3681 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Actually, he was referring to me. I ghostdirected the movie.


Gus - Sep 10, 2005 9:03:46 pm PDT #3682 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

You read it here first. If it goes wrong, it is P-C's fault.


Tim Minear - Sep 10, 2005 11:39:56 pm PDT #3683 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

Gus, casting one's mind back -- I think my question was in response to a post you made where you said "Moon" wasn't about libertarian ideas. Thanks for agreeing that, at least to some degree, it is. But I wasn't really arguing the merits of Libertarianism. I would be a sorry advocate for it, since I don't fully embrace it.

I'd call myself a small "l" (L) libertarian. And I disagree about everything government doing in Katrina being a disaster. (granted, city, state and federal relief efforts were cocked up for days. Every link in the chain, it seemed, failed at some point, still:) Thousands of people were rescued off rooftops, for instance. The Coast Guard is part of of the government, and they just rocked like a rocking thing. I don't see how private industry does stuff like that.


Nilly - Sep 10, 2005 11:52:34 pm PDT #3684 of 10001
Swouncing

I think my question was in response to a post you made where you said "Moon" wasn't about libertarian ideas.

Yup, in Gus "The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People" Aug 18, 2005 6:20:31 am PDT :

But that is not what it is about. It is about misshapen Manny making a connection to Wyoh. It is about Mike being existentially bereft, and his being willing to make any change to reality to suit those people who "get" him.


Tim Minear - Sep 10, 2005 11:54:14 pm PDT #3685 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

Thanks, Nilly. BTW -- it's about that stuff Gus points out, too. Just sayin'.


Nilly - Sep 10, 2005 11:56:53 pm PDT #3686 of 10001
Swouncing

it's about that stuff Gus points out, too.

When I first read the book, as a kid, I couldn't see anything other than the stuff that Gus pointed out (then again, I was a rather silly kid. For example, I didn't see the Christian stuff in "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe" until like the 17th time I read the book, when I was already twenty years old). Everything other than the characters connecting went way over my head. Only on a re-read, a few years back, did I realize it has some actual politics in it, too.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 11, 2005 2:00:41 am PDT #3687 of 10001
What is even happening?

Here is my take: Individual effort (non-governmental) was and is more effective in the Katrina thing. Everything government has done around this has been a disaster, impeding individual effort.

Government? Bad, in this situation.

I don't think so. My primary beef with the Federal government (I'm not a Louisiana resident, so I don't feel like I get to complain about the Louisiana staties and the New Orleans locals) is that it took them too long to act, and that at first, they seemed paralyzed. It seemed clear to me t font ="Mondy Morning QB" that the state and city officials were going to be incapacitated, if they got the big one, and it seems to me like that should have been obvious to the all levels of government, even before the the storm struck. I see this as an issue of incompetence, shameful, deadly incompetence.

Here, however, is my question: What natural forces of the marketplace were missing for the people in the Domes?

Supply.


Got Life - Sep 11, 2005 4:06:43 am PDT #3688 of 10001
Life is eternal, Love is immortal, and death is only an illusion.

Nilly- Don't feel bad. I must have read those books every couple years, and until my sister pointed out all the religious stuff right to my face, I never saw it in any of the Narnia books.

Still, when I read it don't always still connect the two, just because I know now.

But then again when I went and saw Star wars this summer I must have been to wrapped up in Darth Vader's story to get all the supposed and according to the press very blatent attacks on the goverment in it. I guess that can be considered niave?


SailAweigh - Sep 11, 2005 5:52:04 am PDT #3689 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Nilly- Don't feel bad. I must have read those books every couple years, and until my sister pointed out all the religious stuff right to my face, I never saw it in any of the Narnia books.

Heck, I didn't see it until I was in my 40's. And that was because I was analyzing the series from the perspective of a history of science class that talked about the development of scientific methods and how prior ones (Aristotelian and Platonic) were or weren't absorbed into the philosophy of the middle ages because of the emphasis on Christianity in natural philosophy. It really opened my eyes to subtext or even plain old text that can be overlooked when you're not reading for it. Or, is so much part of your everyday life that you absorb it as normal without second thought.