I think Spike wanted to do good, yes, and his motivation wasn't much of the issue for me -- more that he seemed in a precarious position -- his leaning was to violence, selfishness and causing pain. He fought it for one reason or another, but without the chip I don't think he'd ever have gotten as far as he did.
We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so very pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die.
Mal ,'Serenity'
The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
§ ita § - Aug 31, 2005 4:22:06 pm PDT #3510 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Got Life - Aug 31, 2005 4:29:45 pm PDT #3511 of 10001
Life is eternal, Love is immortal, and death is only an illusion.
Unsouled spike killed people and was supposidly very ruthless.
But he was always shown no matter whatever incarnation to be able to understand and be capable of loving another person, be it vampire or human. As souled Spike and unsouled spike there was no difference in how he handled any situation. He never showed any guilt for anything that was not in some way directed towards him being hurt or Buffy being involved. Nor did he show any real want to make himself better for the need to make himself better, unless he gained something. Again the same qualites possesed by souled and unsouled Spike.
As for William and Spike(either souled version) All were love's Bitch. But at least with William, you are right that is where the similarites end.
I hope you are not thinking I am trying to start an anti-spike thing here. I think the character is okay(most when he was early Buffy or season 5 of Angel), just have no real need to see more. I just find to many inconsisitanties in the souled and unsouled versions when compard to how hard they went to show the differences between Angel and Angelus.
Truce. Vodka. I have Chocolate.
MMM.. Dark Wes and Faith would have been so cool. Not Dark like season 6, but in a way only Faith and Wes could be.
Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 31, 2005 4:37:40 pm PDT #3512 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
So I suppose that if an evil person became a vamp and then got a soul, they would still be bad.
Well, it isn't exactly a case of that, but Darla seemed to differ in her vampire and resurrected human states only by virtue of tendency to nervous breakdown in the latter. There weren't many difference in her motives (at least until the last few minutes before she was revamped).
Kristen - Aug 31, 2005 4:48:15 pm PDT #3513 of 10001
Kristen, now that the full seven seasons are out on DVD, you have to add rules for each time Buffy says, "It's different; he has a soul, now."
Wait. For what show? BtVS only had five seasons. No, really. Five. Seasons. Shut. Up. FIVE. Seasons.
In unrelated news, I am pleased to report that while your calendar might tell you it's August 31st, it's really October 7th. At least in my little corner of the world.
Oh yes, indeed. It's October 7th. Let the Dance of Freedom, Joy & Happiness commence.
Got Life - Aug 31, 2005 4:52:18 pm PDT #3514 of 10001
Life is eternal, Love is immortal, and death is only an illusion.
I knew it was a horrible nightmare.
Five seasons! But that means Buffy is dead.
Does Angel still got to get to his very horrible third season with St. cordy or does he end at the end of Season 2 as well?
Kristen - Aug 31, 2005 4:54:11 pm PDT #3515 of 10001
Yes, Buffy is dead. So sad. Shed a tear. Let's move on.
Angel ended with Home. I wonder what happened after that. I mean, they took over W&H. How cool was that? Did that mean they won? So many questions. Oh well. Let's move on.
Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 31, 2005 4:54:31 pm PDT #3516 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
If we're ending the series early, I'd recommend the end of "Dead End" rather than the season 2 finale.
JenP - Aug 31, 2005 4:59:35 pm PDT #3517 of 10001
Oh yes, indeed. It's October 7th. Let the Dance of Freedom, Joy & Happiness commence.
Congratulations! And also for bending time to your will. Because that's cool.
Kristen - Aug 31, 2005 5:02:05 pm PDT #3518 of 10001
And also for bending time to your will. Because that's cool.
I'm a graduate of the Greenwalt & Whedon School of Bullshit Physics.
And thanks! I am so very very very very very happy right now.
JenP - Aug 31, 2005 5:19:47 pm PDT #3519 of 10001
Will there be celebration? There should be celebration. Here - tosses confetti.