I wanna die in bed surrounded by fat grandchildren, but guess that's off the menu.

Jenny ,'Bring On The Night'


The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


DavidS - Aug 13, 2005 7:50:46 pm PDT #2579 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I get Logo and the fun of Wonderfalls on my TiVo. I did not know that Logo was the Gay Channel. Which means they sometimes show Le Tigre videos.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 13, 2005 7:52:51 pm PDT #2580 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

You live like 3 feet from the Castro and didn't overhear anyone talking about Logo as the Gay Channel? You should say 30 Hail Marys in penance the next time you turn on the TV and find "Deceptacon" playing.


Daisy Jane - Aug 13, 2005 7:53:44 pm PDT #2581 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

They also keep showing Psycho Beach Party, bless them.


DavidS - Aug 13, 2005 7:59:57 pm PDT #2582 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

You live like 3 feet from the Castro and didn't overhear anyone talking about Logo as the Gay Channel? You should say 30 Hail Marys in penance the next time you turn on the TV and find "Deceptacon" playing.

Nobody talks to me in the Castro. I only ping the gaydar of straight people.


Cass - Aug 13, 2005 8:55:10 pm PDT #2583 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Which reminds me -- I should go tell it I love Wonderfalls.
Yes. Consider it a training session.


Strega - Aug 14, 2005 7:56:19 pm PDT #2584 of 10001

"But I know that it's St. Patrick's Day."
I think it was "Profit would know..." which I'm only being pedantic about because I think that makes it funnier.

I thought it was interesting, in light of "Angel," that somewhere in there Greenwalt said that a lot the show was about the question: can you overcome your past and become a different person? And then he sorta laughed and said that as far as he was concerned, the answer was no.* I really like him.

(*Just to be clear, he didn't mean that people can't make different choices; I think he just meant that you can't ever wipe the slate clean.)


Kristen - Aug 14, 2005 8:03:39 pm PDT #2585 of 10001

Yes, I remember that. It was during the commentary for Forgiveness. It immediately made me think of Angel, as well.


AnthonyDe - Aug 16, 2005 9:06:52 am PDT #2586 of 10001
A One that isn't cold, is scarcely A One at all.

Hollywood's Profits, Demystified

Interesting read, apparently TV licensing returns more revenue than either DVDs or box office.


DavidS - Aug 16, 2005 9:29:17 am PDT #2587 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Interesting read, apparently TV licensing returns more revenue than either DVDs or box office.

Aka, The Simpsons as profit center.


Kat - Aug 17, 2005 9:34:48 am PDT #2588 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Not the soap thread, but...

So I'm reading Everything Bad Is Good for You for a study group on pop culture and teens at UCLA, which I'm suddenly in charge of, and I'm enjoying the book. It's provacative and compelling.

I'm in the television section now and Johnson is talking about the cognitive demands, the increased complexity that watching TV now demands and I'm intrigued because it reminds me of listening to folks like Tim talk about maintaining narrative arcs etc.

Johnson points out that Hill Street Blues was one of the first shows that combined the complexity of multithreaded over multiple episodes and seasons storytelling with complex social issues. Prior to that, it was only daytime TV that had such complex story telling with, admittedly, fluff content.

Now, except for whozzit.... L&O and possibly CSI, most shows are multithread/multiepisode. He cites Desperate Housewives, 24, The Sopranos, West Wing, ER, Alias, etc.

And they're making us smarter because we are engaging with that complexity.

So, see, TV is not making us stupid. And go soaps for pioneering that technique in TV.