If Joss had been shopping around The Adventures of Mr. Gordo & Miss Edith...probably not so much.
Now I want to see this movie.
Lorne: My little prince. Oh…what did they do to you? Angel: Nina…tried to…eat me. Lorne: Oh, you're--medic! You're gonna make it Angel. Just don't stop fighting. Doctor! Is there a Gepetto in the house?
'Smile Time'
The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 27, 2005 3:27:31 am PDT #1766 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Topic!Cindy - Jul 27, 2005 3:32:59 am PDT #1767 of 10001
What is even happening?
Frank and I are as one. That's why he meets my social obligations for me.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 27, 2005 3:40:26 am PDT #1768 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Frank and I are as one.
We should start a fan campaign.
Or not.
Allyson - Jul 27, 2005 5:55:35 am PDT #1769 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Maybe I am just touchy about Firefly and Serenity fans being written off as ungrateful louts with short memories but, no one has forgotten the Variety ad.
No, they haven't forgotten the ad. But they have forgotten who ran the campaign. This doesn't bother Kristen, but it bothers me.
I don't expect an alter, or my own personal thread on the OB, and recognize fully that without the fans' participation and huge efforts, it doesn't matter.
It's fresher in my mind because of the book (my book, it loves carrots) and the research of sifting through dozens of posts and watching me gradually lose my shit during that time. And I haven't left the community the way Kristen has, I'm still around and visit often. I felt a part of that community.
They haven't forgotten the ad, but they forgot how it came to be. I do want to be a footnote in that collective history, it's important to me. Kristen sees us as a footnote. I see the Variety ad as a footnote, but also think I've disappeared.
The recent posts at the OB where so many people were searching for a high res version of the ad, and that no one knew where to get one or thought to include us in that discussion hit me in the gut.
I'm whining. I know. It grates, and it shouldn't, maybe.
Topic!Cindy - Jul 27, 2005 6:04:49 am PDT #1770 of 10001
What is even happening?
No, they haven't forgotten the ad. But they have forgotten who ran the campaign. This doesn't bother Kristen, but it bothers me.Kristen is too mature. That would burn my arse.
And your book does like carrots, Allyson. It's a wonderful read.
Tamara - Jul 27, 2005 6:14:12 am PDT #1771 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.
Allyson there are probably ten to twenty people who posted on the OB when the ad came out that are still there today. Maybe less. I wish I could make them nicer to you because you deserve it.
Allyson - Jul 27, 2005 6:19:04 am PDT #1772 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I wish I could make them nicer to you because you deserve it.
That's amazingly kind. You know what, though? My perspective is skewed by what is interesting to me. I know all about the Topic Wars and Color Wars and who did what at the Bronze, years before I got there, because I'm awfully interested in community history and how it all came to be. And still, if you went to what's left of the Bronze, and asked, "how come we can't all post in color?" a handful of people would be able to answer, or at least know where to find 'stina who was the keeper of that piece of history.
I find the history of a community to be incredibly important.
Kalshane - Jul 27, 2005 7:09:20 am PDT #1773 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
I was talking about Angel. You were talking about Firefly. Hence my whatEv.
Your post read to me like you were saying fan campaigns were pointless. I was merely giving an example, which I knew you were very familiar with, of when they haven't been. It wasn't meant as a "zing". It just sounded like you were saying "All these craxy fans, why do they keep trying?" If I misinterpreted, I apologize.
The Partyman - Jul 27, 2005 7:19:18 am PDT #1774 of 10001
[insert something funny here]
Mostly, however, I am sad that I did not win Mega Millions last week.$145M and I was gonna call that Global Frequency dude and see if he wanted to give that crazy straight to DVD/air it on the internet paradigm shift a whirl.
I am also sad that you did not win Mega Millions last week.
They haven't forgotten the ad, but they forgot how it came to be. I do want to be a footnote in that collective history, it's important to me. Kristen sees us as a footnote. I see the Variety ad as a footnote, but also think I've disappeared.
Despite an active prescence in some of the Vampire-infested areas of the Jossverse, I've never been part of Firefly Fandom as such. I I didn't get to seee the show until the DvD's came out... yet even I (from a non-FF fan (at the time) perspective) knew all about Variety Ad campaign. It was such a HUGE thing in Fandom.
You should totally be a footnote.
I find the history of a community to be incredibly important.
Amen to that.
Allyson - Jul 27, 2005 7:33:55 am PDT #1775 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
"All these craxy fans, why do they keep trying?"
No. What I am saying is, if the showrunner isn't trying to save the show, the fans can't do much of anything besides register their disappointment.
I don't think fan campaigns work in the way fans think they do. Fans can support the efforts of a showrunner who is trying to accomplish something, like when Tim wanted the petition to help show 20th that there was enough people who loved Wonderfalls to justify releasing it on DVDs. The petition was a visual aid for the argument, I think.
Joss' call to "make some noise" about Angel's future made my head hurt. He wasn't making any particular effort to shop the show around and was moving toward film. So it seemed to encourage the fans to go into overdrive with false hope.
I was merely giving an example, which I knew you were very familiar with, of when they haven't been.
But you understand the point of our campaign was to keep the show on the air, and we failed? The point wasn't to get DVDs or a flick. The DVDs were a given if the campaign never existed, and we had absolutely zero to do with the flick.
I'm really very sensitive about taking credit for things for which I can't actually take credit.
I believe Kristen is right in that it's a lovely story, that the fans campaigned hard and got DVDs and a movie, but it's not a true story. I wish it was. Nothing would make me feel prouder.