I want to torture you. I used to love it, and it's been a long time. I mean, the last time I tortured someone, they didn't even have chainsaws.

Angel ,'Chosen'


The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Allyson - Jun 26, 2005 6:28:11 pm PDT #156 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Nevermind, I apparently don't know what I'm talking about anymore.


Gris - Jun 26, 2005 6:44:52 pm PDT #157 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Nevermind, I apparently don't know what I'm talking about anymore.

Why don't I believe this statement?


Allyson - Jun 26, 2005 6:56:49 pm PDT #158 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

How much do you think your first impressions were slanted by reading first, Allyson?

It's hard to say.

Edited because I seem completely unable to post a coherent thought, tonight. Blargh. Better to just get some sleep.


PatK - Jun 26, 2005 7:22:49 pm PDT #159 of 10001
"I so wanna storm out on you right now, but if I stand up, I'll fall." --Jaye

In the first three eps, my level of attachment has gone thusly (in terms of Rebecca's character):

1st ep: Intrigued. Her face said what her words didn't. And I liked seeing her get into the "profiler zone" with Web at the apartment. I saw her toughness that masked the not-so-tough parts.

2nd ep: Liked her. Another layer came off. Her talking to Paul was telling. Her visceral reaction to the chains chilled me. The cracking somewhat of her exterior on the street afterwards showed me she was human. Her ambiguious words to Brandt as she uncuffed him kinda made me dig her. She's got so much going on.

3rd ep: Loved her. All her anger and her past experience was playing on the surface throughout the case, and she was struggling to hold it in. And of course, at the end, with Roger and the Pre-filer, I was just floored.

I can't identify with her trauma, but I empathize, and I get her. For whatever reason. She's complex and fun to watch, and I AM rooting for her to make connections to the world.

For me, with a drama, I HAVE to get behind the main character. I have to get where they're coming from, I have to understand their motivations, so even when they do something that may make me dislike them, I can see their point of view.

I was able to do that with Buffy, Angel, Jaye (yeah, it was more a comedy, but still)....because whereas I know some people hated the main characters (more so Buffy and Angel), and watched for Willow, or Wesley, or whomever else, if I can't support the character the show revolves around, I don't see the point in watching.

(Chris Carter didn't seem to realize in the last two seasons that it wasn't just the scary stories that made the X-Files work, it was Mulder and Scully's reactions and interactions to them that did, which is why he should've ended the show after Season 7 minus a pregnancy...and this tangent is over).

I like many of the elements of "The Inside." I like the atmosphere, the music, the gruesomeness (I won't say gore, because I think that's too strong a word), the moral ambiguity, and I like the supporting cast for the different views and personalities they bring to the mix, and I'm sure I'll learn more about them as the show goes on....but Rebecca's the most important piece from my perspective.

And I think she's awesome. Some don't, which is a bummer, but hey. I don't need to feel hope, either. I got hope and hugs from "Full House" for seven years as a kid. I'm full up. Imagine my horror when I discovered problems weren't solved in a half hour.

The show goes into the dark, upsetting places, and I know that going in. For 43 minutes a week, I welcome that. It's different. It's unique. They may not have happy endings, but at least there's people like them doing their damndest to lock those kinds of criminals up, and that makes me grateful and have a great deal of respect for those that do the job.

It's honest. There's plenty of other things to cheer me up later. Wherever the story goes, I'll go. Apologies if this no longer makes sense.


Kiba Rika - Jun 27, 2005 4:49:45 am PDT #160 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.

PatK, I like everything you said.


Vortex - Jun 27, 2005 5:34:15 am PDT #161 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I finally watched the ep last night. good stuff. I didn't hate Rebecca. I am starting to see that the things that I don't like about her are deliberate, i.e. I liked her until the scene with the wife, when Paul had to interrupt her. She later acknowledged that she needed to be pulled back. I also noticed that she has no empathy for "regular" people. She can identify with criminals and victims, but not the ordinary joe.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 27, 2005 6:23:18 am PDT #162 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah, PatK's reaction mirors mine pretty closely. "New Girl in Town" had some intriguing elements, and the great teaser got me interested, but it wasn't until "Old Wounds" and the cat-and-mouse game that I really got drawn into the story and started liking Rebecca.


Allyson - Jun 27, 2005 7:51:31 am PDT #163 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

900lb cannibal pics

The story is a bit spoilery on plot, but no more so than a tv guide description.


joe boucher - Jun 27, 2005 8:42:09 am PDT #164 of 10001
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

900lb cannibal pics

I know Tim didn't work on Buffy, but I'd be delighted if the 900lb guy was named Balthazar and waved his arms (from the elbows down, of course) yelling, "Unacceptable! Unacceptable!" But I'm easy that way.

I'm sticking with the show because of its pedigree (Tim, the cast), but it hasn't really grabbed me yet. I like it, but I'm more excited about seeing the next Veronica Mars re-run (I didn't watch it so it's new to me.) If I hadn't found a friend to tape VM for me, and if Tim's track record weren't enough to make me stick around -- S2 Angel alone means he'll always get the benefit of the doubt from me -- I'd be watching UPN on Wednesday. Fortunately I don't need to make that decision, but my reaction has been nothing like it was for Wonderfalls where I was appalled by Fox's treatment of it and thoroughly bummed that I wouldn't see the rest of it. And even though I love the DVDs there's still some melancholy because I want to see where the stories would have gone.


lilserf - Jun 27, 2005 9:42:24 am PDT #165 of 10001
Friends don't let friends dismiss Veronica Mars unjustly.

I'm not sure what factors my brain latches onto when deciding whether to like a show or not -- certainly I appreciate a sense of mystery, clear questions being presented (like LOST). I know I like good writing with clever turns of phrase. Good actors are of course, helpful. But there's something I can't quite place that causes me to dismiss many shows and latch onto the ones I really like.

With The Inside, I think the main thing that grabbed me is Web. I don't have a ton of attachment to Rebecca or her issues right now, but I'm fascinated by Web's actions and how he runs his team. With all of the attending questions like "How does he get away with this?" and "How'd he get to this position?" and such. Without Web, I'd be much less interested in the show.