Reavers ain't men. Or they forgot how to be. Now they're just nothing. They got out to the edge of the galaxy, to that place of nothing, and that's what they became.

Mal ,'Bushwhacked'


The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Gus - Jul 15, 2005 2:39:24 pm PDT #1462 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

I'm pretty sure Joss thinks Tim taught him a lot...

Was that flamebait? 'Cus I gots some flame for that, if it was.


Allyson - Jul 15, 2005 3:11:54 pm PDT #1463 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I don't think it's flamebait, Gus. I think it's reasonable that two people who worked closely on two shows likely learned a lot from each other.


Gus - Jul 15, 2005 3:28:23 pm PDT #1464 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Ok, Allyson, I'll flame off. It probably has to do with my not knowing Kevin all that much.

I think I am protective of Joss. I do not know why. He is filthy rich.

Tim, also, is not encumbered for funds.

Fuck 'em both. They can protect themselves.


quester - Jul 15, 2005 3:42:59 pm PDT #1465 of 10001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

They'll always have Buffy.


Typo Boy - Jul 15, 2005 7:47:53 pm PDT #1466 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The first episode shows every sign of continuing in Whedon's tradition of producing TV fiction that is not just liberal, but radical in its political sensibilities, though with a minimum of overt politics.

I forced myself the to skim the entire article. (Could not bring myself to read it carefully.) The examples it gives of radical leftism seem to be:

A) noting that women are people,
B) noting that good and evil can exist side by side while remaining distinct.

Uh yeah. Those are radical leftist positions all right. Cause no one not a radical leftist has ever noticed either one of these things. It is not possible, for example, that a libertarian Heinlein's admirerer who has written a mini-series based upon "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" would be aware of such things without having become a radical leftist.


Gus - Jul 15, 2005 7:55:56 pm PDT #1467 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

The politics of The Inside do not interest me so much. If you have the FBI, you are starting out on the Right.


Typo Boy - Jul 15, 2005 8:00:23 pm PDT #1468 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Gus - I agree. The chance to snark at someone trying to read politics into it that were not there interested me, at least for one post.

On edit. On second thought I'm not sure locating it in the FBI automatically locates the politics on the right. But I agree that an extended discussion of the politics of The Inside would not be interesting.


§ ita § - Jul 15, 2005 8:01:26 pm PDT #1469 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Personally ... the politics of The Inside don't interest me because they don't interest me. Any extrapolation I might do is me projecting, not me knowing.


Gus - Jul 15, 2005 8:13:47 pm PDT #1470 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

What ita said. The FBI being right of center is a projection on my part.

Still, the presumption of guilt seems to be a thing (to me, maybe only to me) in The Inside.


brenda m - Jul 15, 2005 8:39:54 pm PDT #1471 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

What ita said.

That said (yeah, shut up) am I reading it wrong in thinking that the article (which I skimmed until about the half-way point) is actually praising the "radical" viewpoint? Not so much what I'd have thought from the comments. But Gus's point about the presumption of guilt and just the show in general - I feel a much more rightist vibe than lefty.