I love yellow cake with chocolate frosting. Mmmmm...
Mercy is the mark of a great man. Guess I'm just a good man. Well, I'm all right.
Mal ,'Shindig'
The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People
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Allyson - Jul 12, 2005 11:12:12 am PDT #1268 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Wolfram - Jul 12, 2005 11:24:16 am PDT #1269 of 10001
Visilurking
They must prove that he knew Plame was undercover. And he never mentioned her by name, just as "the wife of...is a CIA agent."
I see this in all the news reports too. Can someone explain to me what the actual difference is between "naming" someone and identifying someone as so-and-so's wife? The latter is not any vaguer; it's just an alternate way to refer to someone. (Unless so-and-so is a bigamist of course.)
Allyson - Jul 12, 2005 11:28:44 am PDT #1270 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I think it's all about, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
"But she gave you head."
"That's just making out with genitals."
That sort of thing. Semantics.
Allyson - Jul 12, 2005 11:39:58 am PDT #1271 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Wolfram, dude, you're a lawyer! You are supposed to know this stuff! Where's Narrator?
amych - Jul 12, 2005 11:46:50 am PDT #1272 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
I see this in all the news reports too.
I do too. I suspect that they're quoting some henchidiot of Rove's (or, WH spokespeople, which amounts to the same thing) -- there's no way the "Wilson's wife" excuse is gonna fly with anyone halfway reasonable, but proving that he knew she was covert sounds like it really could be an issue.
Cashmere - Jul 12, 2005 12:10:51 pm PDT #1273 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.
I love yellow cake with chocolate frosting. Mmmmm..
My mother in law made me some of this this past weekend. AIWFG!!
Wolfram - Jul 12, 2005 12:40:57 pm PDT #1274 of 10001
Visilurking
That's what I'm saying. From a legal point of view, identifying someone by name or with specificity is the same damn thing. It's like saying "George W. Bush," or "the president," or "Karl Rove's monkey-boy." Same damn thing.
....but proving that he knew she was covert sounds like it really could be an issue.
Yeah, that'll be how they wiggle out of it. It's also weasly that Rove only magnanimously gave Cooper permission to identify him as a source when it became clear that it was going to come out anyway. Two years later he's all, "I've got nothing to hide."
amych - Jul 12, 2005 12:42:24 pm PDT #1275 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Wilson may have only one wife, but I don't think that implies that Rove has only one monkey-boy. Then again, it's been a while since I took logic.
Narrator - Jul 12, 2005 12:50:38 pm PDT #1276 of 10001
The evil is this way?
Where's Narrator?
What? Don't make me discuss what the definition of "is" is.
Narrator - Jul 12, 2005 1:00:57 pm PDT #1277 of 10001
The evil is this way?
I scrolled, so, here's my brief thoughts --
From what I understand of the particular law, there must be proof of 2 things to convict Rove: (1) that Karl knew Valerie Plame was a covert agent; and (2) that he revealed her super seekrit identity.
I don’t know whether he knew that she was a covert operative.
As to the second point, from what I can see, there’s no difference between saying the name of someone and identifying someone as so-and-so's wife. So, if that’s the only thing keeping Karl out of jail for divulging the identity of a covert agent, then I hope he likes prison stripes.
BUT it may keep him from going to jail on obstruction of justice or – maybe – lying to a federal agent/perjury if he was asked if he told a reporter that “Valerie Plame” got her husband the trip to Niger. Courts tend to accept a bit of parsing when it comes to things like this (although even Clinton wasn’t going anywhere with the “it depends upon what your definition of ‘is’ is”).