There's something about a food that moves all by itself that gives me the heebie-jeebies.

Joyce ,'Never Leave Me'


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[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Polter-Cow - Jun 24, 2005 10:10:54 am PDT #103 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

That moment when she says, "No. Roger's loose"?

Really cool moment.


Jessica - Jun 24, 2005 10:12:20 am PDT #104 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I have to say, that logic is unassailable, but also totally generic.

True.

Because, as I think more on Rebecca's profile, she never said he would molest

She said he would do "it." It was never explicitly stated whether the eventual "it" was rape or murder. (Which I actually found a little annoying because, as Nutty points out, they're completely different profiles, and I would have liked to know what she was talking about. The prefiler's plastic bag example points to murder, but then, it was pretty clear that the reason Roger was going to kill them with a plastic bag was so that Rebecca could have time to save Roger's life. If the prefiler had decided that Roger was planning to shoot them in the head, Rebecca's "no, wait!" wouldn't have been nearly as effective.)


Frankenbuddha - Jun 24, 2005 10:28:59 am PDT #105 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I have to say, that logic is unassailable, but also totally generic. You could apply that logic to anybody who has powerful feelings of guilt, and most people do not murder their parents/lovers/children/ice cream sandwiches.

Tim, please make an episode about a man who murders ice cream sandwiches. Thank you.

Personally I just want to know what kind of ice cream sandwiches Nutty's been encountering that can be left alive.


DXMachina - Jun 24, 2005 10:31:54 am PDT #106 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Personally I just want to know what kind of ice cream sandwiches Nutty's been encountering that can be left alive.

I'm thinking she has pictures of them on her hard drive in revealing poses.


§ ita § - Jun 24, 2005 10:53:18 am PDT #107 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But it's not generic - she's talking about 1 person's reaction to 1 action. When she's profiled before she's been deeply and creepily specific. Why should this be different?


Polter-Cow - Jun 24, 2005 10:59:03 am PDT #108 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Her descriptions of Roger's actions were deeply and creepily specific. Her rationales for those actions, however, were not.


juliana - Jun 24, 2005 11:01:32 am PDT #109 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Tim, please make an episode about a man who murders ice cream sandwiches. Thank you.

(Sorry, I had to...)

"Harold, it's Bateman, Patrick Bateman. You're my lawyer so I think you should know: I've killed a lot of ice cream sandwiches. Some Klondike Bars in the apartment uptown, uh, some Skinny Cows - maybe 5 or 10,um, a Sara Lee I met in Central Park. And Ben & Jerry. I killed Ben & Jerry with an axe in the cookie, its body is melting in a bathtub in Hell's Kitchen. I don't want to leave anything out here. I guess I've killed maybe 20 sandwiches, maybe 40. I have tapes of a lot of it, uh some of the M&Ms Sandwiches have seen the tapes. I even, um... I ate some of their fillings, and I tried to cook a little. Tonight I, uh, I just had to kill a LOT of sandwiches. And I'm not sure I'm gonna get away with it this time. I guess I'll uh, I mean, ah, I guess I'm a pretty uh, I mean I guess I'm a pretty sick guy. So, if you get back tomorrow, meet me at Harry's Bar, so you know, keep your eyes open."


§ ita § - Jun 24, 2005 11:13:00 am PDT #110 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Her rationales for those actions, however, were not.

I rewatched the scene. Nowhere in it do I detect any implication that her rationales were meant to expand to encompass anyone other than Roger. She's telling him why he'd do things. Not, anywhere I can see, is she even slightly implying that other people would behave the same way with the same stimuli. If it were that easy, would we even need profilers?


Jessica - Jun 24, 2005 11:19:33 am PDT #111 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I think my problem is that I have a hard time buying into any of her profiling. I realize that Rebecca being a good profiler is part of her character's premise (along the same lines as "Angel is a vampire with a soul") but I just don't buy them. Because she makes her intuitive leaps with such little evidence (which is, of course, why she's good), there's almsot nothing I can evaluate on my own terms. I have to either accept that she's right until I'm shown otherwise.

So far, Roger's required the most suspension of disbelief.


§ ita § - Jun 24, 2005 11:23:46 am PDT #112 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have to either accept that she's right until I'm shown otherwise.

Yeah -- that's where I am. We may be shown later that she's been off all the while, but I'm not going to sweat questioning her (or the writing of it) until then. You want her infallible, Tim? Then it shall be so.