Funny thing about black and white. You mix it together and you get gray. And it doesn't matter how much white you try and put back in, you're never gonna get anything but gray.

Lilah ,'Destiny'


The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Polter-Cow - Jun 24, 2005 10:59:03 am PDT #108 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Her descriptions of Roger's actions were deeply and creepily specific. Her rationales for those actions, however, were not.


juliana - Jun 24, 2005 11:01:32 am PDT #109 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Tim, please make an episode about a man who murders ice cream sandwiches. Thank you.

(Sorry, I had to...)

"Harold, it's Bateman, Patrick Bateman. You're my lawyer so I think you should know: I've killed a lot of ice cream sandwiches. Some Klondike Bars in the apartment uptown, uh, some Skinny Cows - maybe 5 or 10,um, a Sara Lee I met in Central Park. And Ben & Jerry. I killed Ben & Jerry with an axe in the cookie, its body is melting in a bathtub in Hell's Kitchen. I don't want to leave anything out here. I guess I've killed maybe 20 sandwiches, maybe 40. I have tapes of a lot of it, uh some of the M&Ms Sandwiches have seen the tapes. I even, um... I ate some of their fillings, and I tried to cook a little. Tonight I, uh, I just had to kill a LOT of sandwiches. And I'm not sure I'm gonna get away with it this time. I guess I'll uh, I mean, ah, I guess I'm a pretty uh, I mean I guess I'm a pretty sick guy. So, if you get back tomorrow, meet me at Harry's Bar, so you know, keep your eyes open."


§ ita § - Jun 24, 2005 11:13:00 am PDT #110 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Her rationales for those actions, however, were not.

I rewatched the scene. Nowhere in it do I detect any implication that her rationales were meant to expand to encompass anyone other than Roger. She's telling him why he'd do things. Not, anywhere I can see, is she even slightly implying that other people would behave the same way with the same stimuli. If it were that easy, would we even need profilers?


Jessica - Jun 24, 2005 11:19:33 am PDT #111 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I think my problem is that I have a hard time buying into any of her profiling. I realize that Rebecca being a good profiler is part of her character's premise (along the same lines as "Angel is a vampire with a soul") but I just don't buy them. Because she makes her intuitive leaps with such little evidence (which is, of course, why she's good), there's almsot nothing I can evaluate on my own terms. I have to either accept that she's right until I'm shown otherwise.

So far, Roger's required the most suspension of disbelief.


§ ita § - Jun 24, 2005 11:23:46 am PDT #112 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have to either accept that she's right until I'm shown otherwise.

Yeah -- that's where I am. We may be shown later that she's been off all the while, but I'm not going to sweat questioning her (or the writing of it) until then. You want her infallible, Tim? Then it shall be so.


Jessica - Jun 24, 2005 11:29:55 am PDT #113 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

(I have no idea how the word "either" got into that sentence. It's a sneaky little bugger.)


Allyson - Jun 24, 2005 11:37:37 am PDT #114 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I have to either accept that she's right until I'm shown otherwise.

On this one, I believed she could absolutely be wrong, as could prefiler. I always think she could be wrong. Profiling is a guess, not an absolute. She's saying, "this is the likely scenario/description according to my understanding of things."

Which isn't a good enough reason to execute someone.

There's a "get out of my gene pool!" response I have to it, but he's already seeded it with his whiny video game playing kids who should get offa my lawn.


§ ita § - Jun 24, 2005 11:55:22 am PDT #115 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Which isn't a good enough reason to execute someone.

If she was right, to me, it still wouldn't be a good enough reason. The execution is separate from the guilt, morally.

As for her accuracy -- I'm waiting to be shown she's wrong. Either she's been right, or it's been untestable. I don't have the information to second-guess her. Only Tim does here, so I'm going to leave it be.


Kristen - Jun 24, 2005 12:52:58 pm PDT #116 of 10001

Profiling is a guess, not an absolute.

I want there to be an episode where they're all completely wrong a la Gary Ridgeway.


alienprayer - Jun 24, 2005 2:21:41 pm PDT #117 of 10001
Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. -Bierce

I had the feeling that the pre-filer was altering his standards through the episode. Then he sees and investigates Rebecca, and once he finds out about the kidnapping, pushes her at the pedophile that he's noticed.

So if the FBI still had the de-gloved profiler from the first episode, he would have found a bipolar target to taunt her with.