The only place I ever heard "Pope's Nose" was on the Super Catholic side of the family, I doubt they considered it offensive.

I always figured it meant that the thing looked like an old man's nose and the Pope was the old man of choice (particularly since that bit of bird was beloved).

How is "Indian Summer" offensive?

I've used "that's mighty white of you" sarcastically. I can't imagine using it any other way. It's reserved for people who make a big deal of making it seem like they're doing you a favor by giving you something you were already supposed to get anyway.

Tonight I went to Bar Pitti to celebrate, which is next to notorious celebrity site Da Silvano. Ridiculous amounts of loafing paparazzi for what turned out to be, from what we could tell, Tim Curry, Billy Joel and Thalia.

And I didn't make out with any of them.

I remember "pope's nose" from my childhood, and my mother would have meant it offensively. Poor woman, I wonder how many opportunities slipped by when she forgot to inculcate us with her prejudices because she was too busy.

I've heard "jew you down" and "mighty white of you" used in straight-forward conversation by people who don't have the word irony in their vocabulary, and it was years before I realized what they meant. "Gyp" was used so casually I had no idea it referred to Gypsies.

"Indian summer" was always presented to us as the last chance to get your harvest in, somehow involving Indians because they knew they'd get a last patch of good weather so they didn't have to collect the crops too early, ie, showing off their land-savvy and bucolic wisdom. I learned recently that it's meant to be insulting in that it's a trick, not really summer.

What does "pope's nose" = "chicken butt" mean in a derogatory sense? I can't suss it out.

I googled "indian summer". There are a lot of theories, not many of them offensive.

I think it's that you pick the dirty part of the chicken, the part that you throw away, and call it after the most respected guy in the church.

I think it's that you pick the dirty part of the chicken, the part that you throw away, and call it after the most respected guy in the church.

It's just so....random. Huh.

I think it's that you pick the dirty part of the chicken, the part that you throw away, and call it after the most respected guy in the church.

Oh. Huh.

I always thought it was an appearance thing - it's kind of bulbous and red. What offense there may be I think is in an implication of drunkenness.