Simon: Captain's a good fighter, he must know how to handle a sword. Zoe: I think he knows which end to hold.

'Shindig'


Spike's Bitches 24: I'm Very Seldom Naughty.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Fay - Jul 07, 2005 6:03:30 am PDT #8998 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Probably just as well if you don't dub her Jimmy either.

Now that really would be taking the piss.

Fay, I've been meaning to ask, but I don't know, guess I came over either shy or lazy. When you talk about the boy's expattishness, does that mean he's still strongly identifies as a Brit (or whatever his country of origin) or that he's bitter against his country of origin?

I guess it's a shorthand way of saying that he seems to have quite the Englishman Abroad thing going on. Which, my big hats and suchlike notwithstanding, I'm not so fond of - that whole 'speak loudly and clearly and Johnny Foreigner will understand you' thing. Or - no, that's not being fair to him. But many, maybe most of the expat teachers at my school had a real them-and-us thing going on - wouldn't dream of socialising with their teaching assistants, speak next to no Arabic, etc etc. It's an attitude that you get quite a lot with expats, I think. My own experience here has centred around largely socialising with Egyptians and our main pub of choice for most of the past couple of years is one where most of the clientele are (obviously very Westernised, what with the alcohol-drinking/tolerance) Egyptian. We know all the waiters and bartenders and bouncers by name, and they look out for us. The kitchen guys at our old school invited us out for dinner and to meet their families, and it was lovely. I've been round to my Teaching Assistant's house four or five times now, and met most of his family. I've been over to the houses of other Egyptian members of staff to celebrate the iftah feast during Ramadan, to see a newborn baby, to attend an Engagement party etc etc. I'm planning on hooking up with (covered, conservative, funny, smart, university graduate) Egyptian friends from school during the next few weeks to go out to the movies and so forth.

There's a whole intense class structure here that we don't have in Britain, with an awful lot of people living lives of extreme poverty. There's also a National Education system which does NOT teach thinking skills - it teaches people to memorise and regurgitate information, and to do what they're told. Within that context, it's unsurprising that religion has so strong a hold upon people, and it's understandable (however frustrating) that people do things that seem bonkers from a Western perspective. Making statements like 'All Egyptians are X, Y or Z' really pisses me off. But it's something that some of the expat community does all the time. I first became conscious of it a couple of months after we'd arrived in Cairo, when we met up with some other teachers at The British Community Association Club in Heliopolis - not my first choice of place, but they do fish and chips, so whatever. But when JP arrived with his (Egyptian) wife A, she told me that this was the first time they'd let her in. Because they don't let Egyptians in, even if they're 'guests' of expats. It was only now that she was his wife that they would let her in. At which point I pretty much thought 'fuck this, I don't need fish and chips that badly', and have only been back once since. (For a colleague's farewell do. To which another colleague's boyfriend wasn't allowed entry, because, yes, he's Egyptian.)

As I say, DateBoy didn't come out with anything racist (because, hello, end of date), but...I don't know. I'm very uncomfortable with the whole Them/Us thing.

Fay, please stop feeding my 'shipping tendencies. These long distance 'ships never work out, and I don't have time to make all the fan art.

Well, dan/andi worked out very nicely. Mr tea and I, however, are destined to live out our lives oceans apart. Well, either that or else we'll randomly meet in Thailand one day, have one perfect night of passion, and then discover that we're supposed to be archnemeses. My plans to teach sign language to the world echidnia population will come into direct conflict with all that Mr tea holds dear...

Somebody stop me, before I write AU RPF about myself.

...too late. Huh.


Emily - Jul 07, 2005 6:06:11 am PDT #8999 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I love your Fayishness.


Polter-Cow - Jul 07, 2005 6:19:05 am PDT #9000 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Cindy, thanks. You know what for.

ETA: Not that it seems to have mattered.


Volans - Jul 07, 2005 6:26:14 am PDT #9001 of 10001
move out and draw fire

them-and-us thing

I'd say this is true of most of the expats I know. I'm guilty of it myself from time-to-time...my only excuse is that I'm exactly the same way about large swathes of America, so maybe I've moved so much that I'm An Expat of One.

But yeah, those ex-pats can be real charmers. It's a watered-down version of the Ugly American (and hey, we had two of these arrested here last week for being such), or whatever nationality (although in my experience Aussies and Canadians aren't bad about it). They tend to call what people like Fay do, making friends and such, "going native."

More in a second - kebabs are burning.


Lilty Cash - Jul 07, 2005 6:28:01 am PDT #9002 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

And, it seems like a friend from college has the same morning lack of clarity as me, as he just called to see if I was ok...even though I don't leave until next week, which he seemed to realize mid-message.

But I called him back and let him know all was good. We were in college for 9/11 and spent most of that day together, and I think a lot of it was coming back for him. I guess it's habit- something bad happens, call everybody you know.


Lilty Cash - Jul 07, 2005 6:29:34 am PDT #9003 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

Cereal:

The Today Show just broke to the local news update. The story? People waited hours in line at the DMV this past week.

No, really. That's news.


Polter-Cow - Jul 07, 2005 6:33:17 am PDT #9004 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I guess it's habit- something bad happens, call everybody you know.

Yeah, on 9/11, everyone was calling their parents, and it's like...my family is in Arlington, Texas. They are totally and utterly safe. But I guess we have to make sure. Just to check and confirm. Cause when the world goes crazy, you never know.


Emily - Jul 07, 2005 6:33:38 am PDT #9005 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

we had two of these arrested here last week for being such

Wow. Remind me to prettify if I ever come see you!


Strix - Jul 07, 2005 6:34:58 am PDT #9006 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

They wouldn't let Egyptians into the club, Fay?!

Color me gobsmacked. WTF? What is this, 1870?

Now, I admit that while I was in London, the majority of people I hung out with were Americans -- because I was living in a house full, and all my profs and fellow classmates were American. Also, 19 years old, and not exactly the brazen wench I am today. But I simply didn't understand the kids who only ate at McDonalds, and complained about the "fuuny accents" and no ice, and all that crap. I was all like "Why the fuck did you COME here?"

People are STUPID. The older I get, the more apparent this truth is.

Also, what do you all think of this no zero-grades policy? I think it's pretty ridiculous, but I'm interested in seeing what others think.


Emily - Jul 07, 2005 6:35:06 am PDT #9007 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Oh dear. Thanks, Polter-Cow. Cause I don't think my mother's in England, but... it can be hard to know, with her.