It's funny how different the opinions are. I will cheerfully read Tony/Bruce and Clint/Coulson and Clint/Natasha and Pepper/Natasha, but oh my god, if I could only filter Loki out of existence.

I'm hit-and-miss with Loki fic. When the author admits that he willingly got a whole lot of innocent people killed and, hey, that's not good, I'll usually keep reading. When they try to sell him as a poor, misunderstood wooshiboo, dead people, what dead people, they're not Hiddles-hot so who cares . . . the writers lose me.

sits on same bench as Dana and Calli

Yeah, Loki as a somewhat sympathetic villain I can take, but poor misunderstood woobie is a dealbreaker. I'm sure Tom Hiddleston has roles as non-mass murderers on his filmography that people could romanticize.

It's just my personal feeling that the ones who write based on the comics tend to write characters more in character, because they've been immersed in the comics for a much longer time.

You're valuing comics canon in a way that I do not. I'm separating them. To me, if you're writing movieverse you're not beholden to anything other than the movie, in the end.

You're valuing comics canon in a way that I do not. I'm separating them.

I am, I am. I think because that many of the comic-based stories I've run across looking for Steve/Tony fics have just been very well-written and compelling, so I want more people to write stories that include the comics.

I think it's fine to separate media. It's like with the Trekverse. You have each different series, you have movies, you have book tie-ins, you have the animated series, you have reboot.

Ditto with Buffy. Movie, tv show, comics, tie-in novels, almost animated show.

Even when the creator claims that only this or only that is considered canon, the viewers/consumers will decide for themselves if that is how they want to divide them all up.

It's like on tumblr, when someone posts about how a character does this, that or the other thing that we never see onscreen, onpage, etc. but everyone instantly proclaims "head canon!"

That's a lot of canon!

TL;DR.

I respect your canon.

I respect your canon.

There needs to be a picture of an antique cannon with this as the caption.

I think I actually prefer movies-only canon, though of course I've been reading the comics sources for decades. There's more wiggle room for the characters to explore without that weight of history behind them.

I think I actually prefer movies-only canon, though of course I've been reading the comics sources for decades. There's more wiggle room for the characters to explore without that weight of history behind them.

Very much this. Plus, movie-canon allows for Coulson and Darcy, both of whom I like very much, and there's a whole thought of how the movies need some sort of accessibility the comics are lacking, but Phil organically grew into his (Coulson lives!) in a way I hope will be allowed for Darcy, because that kind of balance would be awesome.

Gotta beg off on both your plusses, as those send me to the back button as soon as I see them. (Actually, the mere presence of Coulson among a fic's character tags is enough to tell me it's not going to be for me.)