What difference does it make to you in practice if a work passes or fails the test? If not in practice, then in theory?

What difference does it make to you in practice if a work passes or fails the test? If not in practice, then in theory?

It's not a question of whether a particular movie passes, really: it's more a question of how many movies fail to pass, and what that says about the Hollywood system.

So I'm not going to penalize a movie for failing the Bechdel test (neither Haywire nor The Avengers passed it, after all), but I pay attention to movies & tv shows that pass it, because they generally tend to have women do more interesting things.

It's so rare that I see the Bechdel tests cited in anything but the specific, and when you're looking at a specific movie it's way more important to consider more complex things.

I think it's cited way more than the root premise of it is applied, but I was wondering what it means to an individual when an given movie passes or fails.

I'm with Dana: I really enjoy reading the Darcy stories, even though probably because she's a reader-proxy.

Which, frankly, I think is different than a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is, IME, a writer proxy, with powers out of proportion with her position, and a tendency to warp the narrative around her rather like a black hole.

In the particular stories I've been running into, there seems to be a writer-proxy thing going on and the warping narrative effect. I was OK with the Darcy character in the Thor movie, and wouldn't mind reading about her in relation to him. But I'm side-eyeing all these stories where she suddenly becomes integral to the social lives of bunch of super heroes/government agents who have grown up on earth and don't need a guardian angel/pixie girl to introduce them to pop culture.

Musesfool wrote an Avengers/DCU crossover that is a delight: [link]

"Nightwing?" Clint scoffs. "That guy's not real."

Hmm, there's a SPN Summer Fan Art Challenge.

Has to be a summer themed piece.

I quite like this Darcy-centric Avengers fic: [link]

I think the reasons she becomes central to the plot make sense in it.

I have known LJC longer than I've known shrift.

I am old.

I am old.

At my one and only vividcon, I sat up until 2 am with LJC and talked about Robin of Sherwood fandom. Which had its heyday in, like, 1988. I am older than you!

I have known LJC longer than I've known shrift.

LJC knows everyone. We could play the fandom Kevin Bacon game with her.