Oh that's very sweet. Thanks for the link!

Completely, utterly, wonderfully awesome TW fic here: [link]

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Okay, I know I'm being cranky and that most people in fandom will not agree with me, but: I think it's time to officially separate the Supernatural fanfic from the RPS fanfic. The two types of fiction have absolutely nothing in common, other than the fact that JA looks kind of like Dean, and JP resembles Sam. The Supernatural fic (almost always) concerns cases and "ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties, and things that go bump in the night." The RPS fic concerns... well, I'm not entirely sure, as I don't read RPS, but I know it stars the entire realm of CW stars and starlets as well as JP and JA. The two kinds of stories have no common ground. So that SPN Newsletter could be split in two - one for SPN, one for RPS. At the very least the Big Bang fics could be tagged as either SPN or RPS, so those of us looking for one or the other could find them more easily.

This rant was inspired by this month's reccer for SPN Roundtable, who chose Chad Michael Murray as her theme, and recced all stories about Chad. Who has absolutely fucking nothing to do with Supernatural.

I confess, I have been thinking much the same thing, since getting involved in SPN fandom. I've never been in a fandom where the RPS was so inextricably interwoven with the actual fanfic. And it boggles my mind.

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Well, no, it doesn't totally boggle my mind. I am presuming that an awful lot of readers/writers just want to play Their-heads-are-pasted-on-yay! porn, and that it doesn't matter whether the individuals engaged in said shagging are labeled 'Sam and Dean' or 'Jensen and Jared', because the key thing is visualising the hot nekkid manflesh? I guess?

Eh, SPN fans. They either ship Incest, RPS or Blasphemy.

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They either ship Incest, RPS or Blasphemy.

That strikes me as the most appalling FCM ever.

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F (w)incest, C RPS, M blasphemy

Morgana, there's lots of comms that are just for one or the other. Though I agree that Big Bang fics should always, always be well-tagged.

(Also, F RPS, C incest, M blasphemy.)

I am presuming that an awful lot of readers/writers just want to play Their-heads-are-pasted-on-yay! porn, and that it doesn't matter whether the individuals engaged in said shagging are labeled 'Sam and Dean' or 'Jensen and Jared', because the key thing is visualising the hot nekkid manflesh? I guess?

Eh, not so much? I mean, I read a fair amount of CW RPF, and a: some of it is, in fact, gen; b: much of it is, in fact, not porn (though a lot of it is romance).

I mean, there are obviously a number of factors that make it a popular fandom for RPF for writers who are invested in the actual product, and yes, the incest squick probably had something to do with the number of writers who enjoyed the show who went the RPF route, but it's really not just a matter of slashing hot bodies. If it were, you'd see more RPF integration in more fandoms. There's a particular kind of alchemy behind it that I could explain at length with hand gestures and a couple of gin and tonics.

Note of disclaimer: I have written CWRPS. It was all, err, Chad Michael Murray and K-Fed. It seemed like a good idea at the time, though I can't remember why that was so.

Yeah...I mean, there's a reason ST XI RPF had such an upswing alongside the Reboot fandom itself. Similarly to SPN it has Hot White Man Syndrome, and the cast has an irrepressible chemistry off-screen that is just as engaging and write-worthy as the film that made them a cast. American Idol's last two seasons spawned shedloads of RPS; it didn't really exist before Cook/Archuleta, at least not in livejournally fandom. SPN RPS actually started six weeks before the show had ever come out, because promotion for the show painted them as being MFEO and all.

I don't disagree that the RPS fandom for a given show is arguably different in tone and direction from their fictional counterparts, but I strongly disagree that there isn't an actual fandom surrounding RPF and its various incarnations.

Also known as, wow, I write way more RPF than I ever realized.

I don't disagree that the RPS fandom for a given show is arguably different in tone and direction from their fictional counterparts, but I strongly disagree that there isn't an actual fandom surrounding RPF and its various incarnations.

I'd also say, at least for the SPN RPF, in a large percentage of the stories, the SPN part is important -- filming, costumes, fake blood, guest stars. My favorites have been when, as in Hollywood Babylon, someone manages to accidentally make actual supernatural stuff happen on set.

Not that enough people are writing gen RPF with zombies, drat it.

BUT THEY SHOULD BE.

Ahem.

Zombies, so sadly, are our breaking point. I thought it would be Kissinger porn, but as it shakes out, it's zombies.

I'd also say, at least for the SPN RPF, in a large percentage of the stories, the SPN part is important -- filming, costumes, fake blood, guest stars.

Indeed. I mean, it has the same significance as the Stargate set did for SGA RPS, oh the days when I wrote that nonsense. Also, bringing other characters--like Kripke, or Chris Kane et al--into the larger scope of the fandom world means that, in virtue of itself, RPF fandom draws on a larger body of information and worldbuilding than merely the physical representations of the actors and how pretty they are.