I am presuming that an awful lot of readers/writers just want to play Their-heads-are-pasted-on-yay! porn, and that it doesn't matter whether the individuals engaged in said shagging are labeled 'Sam and Dean' or 'Jensen and Jared', because the key thing is visualising the hot nekkid manflesh? I guess?

Eh, not so much? I mean, I read a fair amount of CW RPF, and a: some of it is, in fact, gen; b: much of it is, in fact, not porn (though a lot of it is romance).

I mean, there are obviously a number of factors that make it a popular fandom for RPF for writers who are invested in the actual product, and yes, the incest squick probably had something to do with the number of writers who enjoyed the show who went the RPF route, but it's really not just a matter of slashing hot bodies. If it were, you'd see more RPF integration in more fandoms. There's a particular kind of alchemy behind it that I could explain at length with hand gestures and a couple of gin and tonics.

Note of disclaimer: I have written CWRPS. It was all, err, Chad Michael Murray and K-Fed. It seemed like a good idea at the time, though I can't remember why that was so.

Yeah...I mean, there's a reason ST XI RPF had such an upswing alongside the Reboot fandom itself. Similarly to SPN it has Hot White Man Syndrome, and the cast has an irrepressible chemistry off-screen that is just as engaging and write-worthy as the film that made them a cast. American Idol's last two seasons spawned shedloads of RPS; it didn't really exist before Cook/Archuleta, at least not in livejournally fandom. SPN RPS actually started six weeks before the show had ever come out, because promotion for the show painted them as being MFEO and all.

I don't disagree that the RPS fandom for a given show is arguably different in tone and direction from their fictional counterparts, but I strongly disagree that there isn't an actual fandom surrounding RPF and its various incarnations.

Also known as, wow, I write way more RPF than I ever realized.

I don't disagree that the RPS fandom for a given show is arguably different in tone and direction from their fictional counterparts, but I strongly disagree that there isn't an actual fandom surrounding RPF and its various incarnations.

I'd also say, at least for the SPN RPF, in a large percentage of the stories, the SPN part is important -- filming, costumes, fake blood, guest stars. My favorites have been when, as in Hollywood Babylon, someone manages to accidentally make actual supernatural stuff happen on set.

Not that enough people are writing gen RPF with zombies, drat it.

BUT THEY SHOULD BE.

Ahem.

Zombies, so sadly, are our breaking point. I thought it would be Kissinger porn, but as it shakes out, it's zombies.

I'd also say, at least for the SPN RPF, in a large percentage of the stories, the SPN part is important -- filming, costumes, fake blood, guest stars.

Indeed. I mean, it has the same significance as the Stargate set did for SGA RPS, oh the days when I wrote that nonsense. Also, bringing other characters--like Kripke, or Chris Kane et al--into the larger scope of the fandom world means that, in virtue of itself, RPF fandom draws on a larger body of information and worldbuilding than merely the physical representations of the actors and how pretty they are.

Not that enough people are writing gen RPF with zombies, drat it.

BUT THEY SHOULD BE.

Or superheroes!

Zombies, so sadly, are our breaking point. I thought it would be Kissinger porn, but as it shakes out, it's zombies.

I know. Your zombie squick makes me make the sad face. WOE!

Or superheroes!

I *so* need to re-read the superhero one with the motorcycle!

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RPF kind of squicks me(Not that if you do it, I'm telling you you're awful.) I have friends who slash Keith and Rachel with everyone(Although I guess for Rachel, Rachel/Keith is more"transgressive" and stuff, huh?)I read it, sometimes...I'm a little embarrassed about this. b But, personally, I feel a lot more awkward about, say, Adrian/Connolly than I do, say, Vince/ E.(although "Conier" would make a very cool portmanteau, imo) (especially since, unlike people from fantasy fandoms, I'm not all that sure that they know that people *do* that...I wouldn't want to invade them that much.) I think knowing their characters, in the minds of many women, are having a hot-and-heavy affair, might be a lot to digest, even though they encourage it, too, without adding the real them to the mix.(I'd kind of like to see an ep where the guys discover Vince Chase slash, though...if I write it, will y'all be my consultants?) I've noticed that whatever people do to Ari, they don't RPF Piven...I have a feeling they'd end up regretting it.

Hmm, yeah. RPF is neither squick nor cake for me, but it's definitely a thing with conventions and plots and storylines and not just pastede.

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