Sir? I'd like you to take the helm, please. I need this man to tear all my clothes off.

Zoe ,'Serenity'


Fan Fiction II: Great story! Where's the sequel?

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Consuela - May 28, 2007 5:46:25 pm PDT #3894 of 10436
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

She really, really can.


Fay - May 28, 2007 11:46:20 pm PDT #3895 of 10436
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

non-canonical heavy drinking

I haven't read any of Pink's fic, or indeed seen the latter half of Season 3, but in the pilot Sam certainly implies that John goes on drink binges. My impression was that this was perfectly sincere, and not just put on for Jessica's benefit.


juliana - May 29, 2007 8:30:21 am PDT #3896 of 10436
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Sam certainly implies that John goes on drink binges. My impression was that this was perfectly sincere, and not just put on for Jessica's benefit.

True, but Sam at that point had reason to interpret any and all of John's actions in the worst possible light.


Ailleann - May 29, 2007 8:35:31 am PDT #3897 of 10436
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

Also, "my dad drinks too much" is a much simpler explanation than "my family hunts evil, but I don't want to."


P.M. Marc - May 29, 2007 8:38:41 am PDT #3898 of 10436
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

When was the first chapter of Red posted? (I am too lazy to look it up, but suspect a lot of the construction of this particular verse occured when John was still more of a cipher. Oh, the perils of writing in an active fandom.)

Grey canon (journals, specifically) has occasional drinking binges, but the grey canon ends before Sam would know which end was up.


Beverly - May 29, 2007 10:51:29 am PDT #3899 of 10436
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Who was it who said that from fic she'd always had the impression that John was an abusive alcoholic, and that her first time watching Salvation and DMT her imagination put bottles and glasses in the scenes. That when she rewatched, suddenly there wasn't any alcohol around, anywhere, and nobody seemed to be missing it?

I think a lot of writers brought their own parental issues to their vision of John, before he was more than, as Plei says, a cipher. And Sam's "Jack, Jim and Jose" crack in the pilot has, I think, generally been put down to pissiness, and a desire to distance himself and Jessica from his family and their hard-to-explain, and to accept, paranormal activities.


Nutty - May 29, 2007 11:02:53 am PDT #3900 of 10436
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I think a lot of writers brought their own parental issues to their vision of John

Ohhh, no kidding. There's also the longstanding tendency to heroize one person by demonizing another. In order that Dean may be the Amazing Parental Brother of Saintly Martyrdom, John must needs be a complete loss as a parent. Emotional extremism of that sort just isn't likely to be good writing, aside from not making all that much sense in this instance. (Dude was four years old! He couldn't even read that we know of. Whatever care he did provide, he certainly wasn't the one reading the labels of the baby food jars.)

Sam's "Jack, Jim and Jose" crack in the pilot

The problem I always had with that joke, aside from not getting it the first five times I heard it (I seriously thought they were fictional people), is that all the serious drinkers I know are Jack, Jack and Jack drinkers, and do not brook a whole hell of a lot of variety.


Lee - May 29, 2007 11:18:46 am PDT #3901 of 10436
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Sam also says in Nightmare that they could have ended up like Max if there had been a little more tequila in John's life, which reads to me like John drank some, but kept it under control most of the time, kind of like Dean.


Ailleann - May 29, 2007 11:21:46 am PDT #3902 of 10436
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

which reads to me like John drank some, but kept it under control most of the time, kind of like Dean

This. John was on the move for twenty-some years, being a single father, and in direct combat with some of the freakiest supernatural shit ever. On a personal vendetta to avenge his wife. Man's gonna hit the bottle every now and again. (Hell, I need a drink and it's only a Tuesday.)


Morgana - May 29, 2007 12:47:09 pm PDT #3903 of 10436
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Dude was four years old! He couldn't even read that we know of. Whatever care he did provide, he certainly wasn't the one reading the labels of the baby food jars.

Thank you. This is the reaction I have every time someone brings up the whole "and Dean changed his diapers!" trope. Okay, I'm not a parent, but I'm guessing most kids are out of diapers by the age of -- what, 3? So Dean would have been 7 or 8 by then. Do you really see John handing over diaper-changing duties to a 4, 5, or 6 year old?