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libkitty - May 02, 2005 2:02:49 pm PDT #655 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I guess that makes the day/night part metaphorical.

This seems so straightforward to me. I mean, then everything works.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 02, 2005 2:04:42 pm PDT #656 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Admittedly it's been years since I read Genesis, but it doesn't go into the specifics of how various animals were created like the rib bit with Eve, does it?


Kathy A - May 02, 2005 2:05:47 pm PDT #657 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I can actually believe in the bible as more literal than you might think, given that things are in pretty much the right order, and the idea that god's time doesn't run like people's time. I guess that makes the day/night part metaphorical. Which is not to say I don't believe in evolution.

Actually, now that I think about it, I believe that's pretty much what the CCD teacher said. But, she did add the caveat that she wasn't a science teacher, but a religion one, and that she didn't think the two had a heck of a lot to do with each other.

I like the part of Inherit the Wind where the Darrow character says during his crossexamination of the opposing lawyer something to the point that, since the Bible says that God didn't create the Sun and the Moon until later in the six days, that the length of "a day" before that could have been longer than the standard 24-hour one, and gets the other lawyer to admit to that possibility.


libkitty - May 02, 2005 2:10:49 pm PDT #658 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

it doesn't go into the specifics of how various animals were created like the rib bit with Eve, does it?

NSM. Pretty much speaking takes care of things for the most part. However, the day and night was early, and even the sun, moon and stars were before animals, although not before plants.


Cashmere - May 02, 2005 2:10:56 pm PDT #659 of 10001
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I still don't personally know many Christians who reject evolution, at least not wholesale.

DH works with a guy who will not let his 8 year old son have dinosaur related toys or ANYTHING because the fossils of dinosaurs were put on this planet to test man's faith. Seriously. He thinks this. And he's an educated man. *shudder*


Allyson - May 02, 2005 2:11:10 pm PDT #660 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

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libkitty - May 02, 2005 2:14:21 pm PDT #661 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Hee! I am so going there. Or, I have gone there. Oh, who am I kidding. I probably would be too cheap to go in any time.


Jessica - May 02, 2005 2:22:32 pm PDT #662 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Oh, who am I kidding. I probably would be too cheap to go in any time.

I figure it's like paying for breakfast at Milliways -- if I put a penny into a savings account now, by the time time travel has been invented, I will be able to afford to go. Or the other way around.

Now all I need is a way to make sure I live that long...


Topic!Cindy - May 02, 2005 2:26:04 pm PDT #663 of 10001
What is even happening?

Admittedly it's been years since I read Genesis, but it doesn't go into the specifics of how various animals were created like the rib bit with Eve, does it?

No, it doesn't. It doesn't put itself forth as a science book. It's telling the who and the why, not the how.

Now, I personally believe in a created Adam, and a created Eve. That doesn't mean I believe they were the only or first creatures we today would recognize as humans from fossil remains. There are two creation accounts in Genesis, one right after another. Also, there are other parts that talk about the sons of God and the daughters of men. The common parsing of that is that the sons of God were angels. I don't necessarily think that has to be the case, and often wonder if the people from created ancestors were intermingling with people who had evolved from creatures originally created as apes.

I like the part of Inherit the Wind where the Darrow character says during his crossexamination of the opposing lawyer something to the point that, since the Bible says that God didn't create the Sun and the Moon until later in the six days, that the length of "a day" before that could have been longer than the standard 24-hour one, and gets the other lawyer to admit to that possibility.

That's very much how I look at it. Per Genesis, light was first created (by God, but its source was not the sun), but the sun, moon, and stars weren't set in place until day four. Genesis is telling us that the being present at the creation it recounts was an eternal (hence timeless) being. Now, without the celestial bodies by which we finite creatures mark time, when someone who thinks he's a literalist tells me I'm supposed to believe Genesis' days 1-3 were 24 hour days, I tell them I can't, because I take the biblical account seriously, and it doesn't tell me that, and actually seems to indicate otherwise, since that by which we mark the hours wasn't yet created.


Allyson - May 02, 2005 2:26:34 pm PDT #664 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Just mail a lock of your hair to your descendants and they'll put your DNA in a blender-thing that makes a *whoosh* sound and presto! You'll be back.