Well, a gathering is brie, mellow song stylings; shindig, dip, less mellow song stylings, perhaps a large amount of malt beverage, and hootenanny, well, it's chock full of hoot, just a little bit of nanny.

Oz ,'Beneath You'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - May 17, 2005 8:13:11 am PDT #4802 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'm decidedly middle class -- but I think they should knock my income down a peg considering where I live.


Nilly - May 17, 2005 8:13:24 am PDT #4803 of 10001
Swouncing

I thought I could get by with that.

Sorry.

you examine something in a model system, and then it doesn't work out when you look at it in a human cell.

But that only means that your model didn't, well, model the reality accurately enough, didn't take all the important processes into account. That's why learning what to take into account and what to neglect is so important and difficult.

the point of research was to see if unexpected things happen and unless the computers involved are very clever, you can't tell it to look for something you never thought of looking for.

On top of what ita said, there are cases where, even if you set the rules yourself, you have such a big or complex system, that you can't foretell how the results will look like.

I'll give you an example. For my Master's, I worked on a simulation of traffic. Cars responding to each other. We had an equation to describe the accelaration of each car (wanting to stay at a certain time distance from the car ahead, not to have its velocity all that different from that of the car ahead - considerations like that). We put a few dozens of these simulation-cars on a simulation road, all of them having the same distance from each other and the same velocity. We let them ride for a while. Now, one would expect them to stay at those fixed distances and velocities, right? There's no change in the system, no reason for them to behave differently, right? However, they don't. Try this simulations with more than 30 cars, IIRC, and pretty soon you'll see jams appearing. We never put them in, but they were created anyway. They are also created IRL. I can explain why, if the post didn't make anybody run screaming looking for pictures of cows in tutus or petting chikens, but the bottom line is, you put the rules you thin govern the situation into a system, and you mostly have no idea what the results will be. On occasion, the only way for you to check those things is through computer simulations.

OK, shutting up now.


Gudanov - May 17, 2005 8:13:45 am PDT #4804 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

That class thing is pretty interesting. I don't tend to think of myself as up above upper middle class.


Jessica - May 17, 2005 8:14:20 am PDT #4805 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I am apparently, with one Bachelor's degree, ridiculously overeducated for my job and income level.


Betsy HP - May 17, 2005 8:14:30 am PDT #4806 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I'm overpaid given the moderate status of what I do (technical writing).

::clutches salary tightly to self::


sarameg - May 17, 2005 8:15:01 am PDT #4807 of 10001

I wonder if there is an female feline equivalent of a neutered male cat who humps things.

Actually, if there is, I think I don't want to know.


Trudy Booth - May 17, 2005 8:16:23 am PDT #4808 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Is it? How can we know?

Quantifyably -- we get more of them, they involve more of the body, and they tend to last longer.

Qualitatively -- well, that's pretty objective other than the "laying there like all but your brain-stem is awol" factor.


Connie Neil - May 17, 2005 8:16:31 am PDT #4809 of 10001
brillig

re: class--education is a big component, isn't it. Which explains why all my cousins and relatives back in Pennsylvania accused my parents of teaching us to "think above ourselves" when they insisted on sending us all to full four-year college.


§ ita § - May 17, 2005 8:17:01 am PDT #4810 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

you put the rules you thin govern the situation into a system, and you mostly have no idea what the results will be

See also the Massive army engine and some of their unexpected results.


tommyrot - May 17, 2005 8:17:17 am PDT #4811 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Try this simulations with more than 30 cars, IIRC, and pretty soon you'll see jams appearing. We never put them in, but they were created anyway. They are also created IRL.

I've heard of this, and found it very interesting. Sometimes there will be traffic jams for no reason, when the highway is handling significantly less that its theoretical maximum traffic.

Although often it is slow people in the fast lane who are to blame....