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'Life of the Party'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - May 12, 2005 8:34:10 am PDT #3620 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Since slaves always have been vulnerable to rape, I don't know what I think about that term, yet.

I think the difference is in the main focus of the slavery. All labour, perhaps including sexual, or primarily sexual? This particular article seemed about general slavery, so the white only points out that it's not like those unfortunate Africans on the cocoa plantations (insert any other non-white not-primarily-sexual slavery here).


Topic!Cindy - May 12, 2005 8:36:30 am PDT #3621 of 10001
What is even happening?

But it's about the primary purpose. Some people are enslaved to be laborers, some to be prostitutes. Even if they all get raped, the rape isn't necessarily the point.
For me, the flipside of using "sexual slavery" is that sexual slavery = forced prostitution = rape arranged by an agent you didn't contract with in the first place. I think I might just use the word slavery. It all a form of rape--because the person's right to self-determination is taken away by force.


Betsy HP - May 12, 2005 8:38:23 am PDT #3622 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

People are more outraged by women getting raped than they are by women getting forced to pick chocolate. (And they used to be even more outraged by white women being raped, hence "white slavery".)


Topic!Cindy - May 12, 2005 8:39:38 am PDT #3623 of 10001
What is even happening?

People are more outraged by women getting raped than they are by women getting forced to pick chocolate. (And they used to be even more outraged by white women being raped, hence "white slavery".)
Right, which is exactly what's so offensive about it.


Jesse - May 12, 2005 8:39:49 am PDT #3624 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Right. "Regular" slavery didn't used to be outrageous in polite company. But "good" white woman being abducted and abused?!?!?!??! The horror.


§ ita § - May 12, 2005 8:42:50 am PDT #3625 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I do think forced prostitution is of a different character than forced manual labour. And I don't think distinguishing between the two makes one seem like a walk in the park in comparison.

The race thing, obviously, gets right the fuck up my nose.


Jesse - May 12, 2005 8:44:50 am PDT #3626 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'm with ita. They are different things. Both bad, but different. We need more words in this damn language.


bon bon - May 12, 2005 8:49:24 am PDT #3627 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

The third hit for me was a magazine article in which the author discussed my research on the dangers of alcohol abuse. The fourth hit pulled up several pictures of me, very drunk, at a high school reunion. Cruel juxtaposition is the way of the Google.

This is hysterical.


Topic!Cindy - May 12, 2005 8:52:23 am PDT #3628 of 10001
What is even happening?

I do think forced prostitution is of a different character than forced manual labour.
Sure. If I were forced to pick one, I'd rather do the manual labor.
And I don't think distinguishing between the two makes one seem like a walk in the park in comparison.
No, you're right. I have as much of a problem calling forced prostitution "sexual slavery" because it is forced. Rape is violent assault focused on and/or committed via sexual organs, but it feels important to me to keep rape and sex as separate as possible.
The race thing, obviously, gets right the fuck up my nose.
Yeah, it sure does. It isn't a term I've had much contact with, and I guess I'd just never thought about it. I've probably read it more here at b.org, in a couple of years than I have read/heard it in the rest of my life before that. All the evil inherent in the term just slapped me across the face.


§ ita § - May 12, 2005 8:58:38 am PDT #3629 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have as much of a problem calling forced prostitution "sexual slavery" because it is forced.

I don't see the problem -- isn't forced inherent in slavery?