A friend's 8 yr old daughter was getting pressure to shave her legs, getting made fun of for being a baby & so on. A couple of us called her to tell her that we avioded shaving our legs when we didn't have to and that not shaving was the much more adult way to go.
We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so very pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die.
Mal ,'Serenity'
What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Daisy Jane - May 10, 2005 10:28:26 am PDT #2840 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
§ ita § - May 10, 2005 10:28:32 am PDT #2841 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm saying there is no sentence that starts "Guys like" that I'm going to find plausible.
I'm a little disappointed that my insistence of an implied "Most" isn't getting through, but there you go. Do you want me to edit the original post? Will it help? Or should I just let it slide?
Fred Pete - May 10, 2005 10:29:24 am PDT #2842 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.
A friend's 8 yr old daughter was getting pressure to shave her legs
head explodes
Jessica - May 10, 2005 10:30:30 am PDT #2843 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
But it seems to me that very many guys assume that most women will tweeze, pluck and shave, and that's what women do, and that's how women will look.
I think, in general, guys don't think this much about grooming. I think the generic mental image of the American Woman probably is clean-shaven, wears makeup, dresses nicely, showers, etc, but I'm not sure most men put a lot of thought into the specifics of how that look gets created.
[eta that "Well, I see sparkles." is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.]
juliana - May 10, 2005 10:30:46 am PDT #2844 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…
Being pretty makes things complicated. Being near pretty things is just pleasant.
Per-zactly.
I groom and work out for me. There's a certain way I like to look and feel, and that demands the plucking, the shaving, the dyeing, all of it. I really don't think Zach would care if I stopped, as long as *I* was okay with it. Well, he might miss the funky hair color.
Daisy Jane - May 10, 2005 10:30:54 am PDT #2845 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
It's ok Fred, they're still cleaning up bits of my skull from when I found out. WHY IS ANYONE LOOKING AT AN 8 YEAR OLD'S LEGS ANYWAY!?!?!?
beekaytee - May 10, 2005 10:31:11 am PDT #2846 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant
"your eyeliner looks nice!"
"I'm not wearing eyeliner. Do you mean eye shadow?"
"Maybe?"
"Are you just saying that because you can tell I'm wearing eye shadow?"
"Well, I see sparkles."
This made me laugh out loud as the perfect representation of countless conversations with my exDH. After a while, I just quit trying to correct him and smilednoddedhead. He always wanted to say something nice, but could never quite. get it. So sweet.
P.M. Marc - May 10, 2005 10:31:43 am PDT #2847 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
From earlier: Uma's dad.
I'd be shocked if she wasn't a fairly brainy person, herself.
Most guys I've met like shaved legs and pits, and I went to a hippie college. I feel safe with that generalization.
Betsy HP - May 10, 2005 10:31:53 am PDT #2848 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
But, you see, I don't believe that "Most guys like sports" is valid. I just think it's way, way, way too big and broad a set to say anything more precise than "Most guys like food and sex and entertainment".
I'm sorry, I'm being difficult, but I'm trying to explain myself. If you have a way-general premise, all you can reason to is a way-general consequent. A LOT of guys like guys. A LOT of guys like naked women. But women in underwear? I think you're already out beyond the regions where predictions can be made.
§ ita § - May 10, 2005 10:32:10 am PDT #2849 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm not sure most men put a lot of thought into the specifics of how that look gets created.
That's what I figured too. And, as such, some (many?) protestations of "I don't care about those things" may be suspect, since it might have been a while (and it was their mother) since they saw "raw" woman.