I'm saying there is no sentence that starts "Guys like" that I'm going to find plausible.

I'm a little disappointed that my insistence of an implied "Most" isn't getting through, but there you go. Do you want me to edit the original post? Will it help? Or should I just let it slide?

A friend's 8 yr old daughter was getting pressure to shave her legs

head explodes

But it seems to me that very many guys assume that most women will tweeze, pluck and shave, and that's what women do, and that's how women will look.

I think, in general, guys don't think this much about grooming. I think the generic mental image of the American Woman probably is clean-shaven, wears makeup, dresses nicely, showers, etc, but I'm not sure most men put a lot of thought into the specifics of how that look gets created.

[eta that "Well, I see sparkles." is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.]

Being pretty makes things complicated. Being near pretty things is just pleasant.

Per-zactly.

I groom and work out for me. There's a certain way I like to look and feel, and that demands the plucking, the shaving, the dyeing, all of it. I really don't think Zach would care if I stopped, as long as *I* was okay with it. Well, he might miss the funky hair color.

It's ok Fred, they're still cleaning up bits of my skull from when I found out. WHY IS ANYONE LOOKING AT AN 8 YEAR OLD'S LEGS ANYWAY!?!?!?

"your eyeliner looks nice!"

"I'm not wearing eyeliner. Do you mean eye shadow?"

"Maybe?"

"Are you just saying that because you can tell I'm wearing eye shadow?"

"Well, I see sparkles."

This made me laugh out loud as the perfect representation of countless conversations with my exDH. After a while, I just quit trying to correct him and smilednoddedhead. He always wanted to say something nice, but could never quite. get it. So sweet.

From earlier: Uma's dad.

I'd be shocked if she wasn't a fairly brainy person, herself.

Most guys I've met like shaved legs and pits, and I went to a hippie college. I feel safe with that generalization.

But, you see, I don't believe that "Most guys like sports" is valid. I just think it's way, way, way too big and broad a set to say anything more precise than "Most guys like food and sex and entertainment".

I'm sorry, I'm being difficult, but I'm trying to explain myself. If you have a way-general premise, all you can reason to is a way-general consequent. A LOT of guys like guys. A LOT of guys like naked women. But women in underwear? I think you're already out beyond the regions where predictions can be made.

I'm not sure most men put a lot of thought into the specifics of how that look gets created.

That's what I figured too. And, as such, some (many?) protestations of "I don't care about those things" may be suspect, since it might have been a while (and it was their mother) since they saw "raw" woman.

It's smirking:

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