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Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Wolfram - Apr 06, 2005 7:40:26 am PDT #3698 of 10001
Visilurking

You say there was no personal service in the eviction lawsuit. Does that mean that your client didn't have the opportunity to defend the action?

No, he had the opportunity. Knew all about it in fact. Just felt no reason to litigate a matter that he agreed with the landlord on, specifically, there was no existing lease. Now they're trying to say he should have litigated when the lease actually terminated, and the judgment makes it res judicata that the lease existed until the judgment. I can't put my finger on it, but it doesn't sound right.

(BTW, res judicata is now often called "issue preclusion." So you might want to look for that phrase in your research.)

Thanks. I thought issue preclusion was collateral estoppel, and claim preclusion was res judicata. But I may have the two confused.

Another thought is, if landlord could have raised the damages issues in the first lawsuit and didn't, there may be a claim preclusion defense there.

You mean, the landlord shouldn't be able to seek further damages on the breach claim for which they got possession. That's brilliant.


amych - Apr 06, 2005 7:41:55 am PDT #3699 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

mmmm... Spicy legal braaaaaiiiiinnnnns


shrift - Apr 06, 2005 7:41:56 am PDT #3700 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I am stuck in black hole of work been off allergy meds for almost two weeks need to go to the doctor to renew prescription don't have time head hurts ear hurts worse and want to cry.

Okay. Now I have to get back to work.


bon bon - Apr 06, 2005 7:43:39 am PDT #3701 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

No, he had the opportunity. Knew all about it in fact. Just felt no reason to litigate a matter that he agreed with the landlord on, specifically, there was no existing lease.

It just seems like that if they were litigating something he felt they had an agreement on, he had an incentive to litigate it.

How could the landlord raise the damages issue in an in rem action?


Stephanie - Apr 06, 2005 7:44:07 am PDT #3702 of 10001
Trust my rage

Just felt no reason to litigate a matter that he agreed with the landlord on, specifically, there was no existing lease

If the client can argue/win on this, then the res judicata shouldn't apply. I'm leaving school now, but I can look it up in my notes when I get home. I'm pretty sure we read cases establishing this. At least it will give you a palce to start.


Wolfram - Apr 06, 2005 7:47:40 am PDT #3703 of 10001
Visilurking

What is the landlord upset about? He knew when your clients left, and he's been getting paid rent. Presumably, he could increase the rent with the new owners of the business should he so desire. Why is he suing?

Great question. It involves a complicated relationship between the landlord, the new owners and my client. The new owners owe my client money, in the form of a promissory note, on their purchase that they're supposed to pay monthly. The landlord wants to move the new owners to a smaller space and sign a lease with them. The landlord offered to lean on my client to forgive the balance of the note (which is substantial) to induce the new owners to keep their business on his premises and sign a new lease. Now the landlord is suing my client for alleged dry cleaning damages, and offering to dismiss the case with prejudice if my client waives the balance of the note.

Yes, he's a wanker.


Nutty - Apr 06, 2005 7:49:18 am PDT #3704 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

This sounds like a very complicated case of blackmail, to me. Don't judges have the right to kick plaintiffs in the butt for pulling crap like that? Maybe only Judge Wapner could get away with doing that.


Gudanov - Apr 06, 2005 7:50:17 am PDT #3705 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I have a question. Let's say one is looking for a bunch of toggle switches cheap for a purely non-functional use. Where could one get a bunch really cheap?


msbelle - Apr 06, 2005 7:52:41 am PDT #3706 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

you can get 10 on ebay for probably a buck.


Wolfram - Apr 06, 2005 7:54:59 am PDT #3707 of 10001
Visilurking

It just seems like that if they were litigating something he felt they had an agreement on, he had an incentive to litigate it.

No, the landlord's attorney told my client they wanted to terminate the lease. My client told him there was no lease. Landlord's attorney had court date posted on door of business which new owners forwarded to my client. My client figured, there's no reason to go to fight against a non-existent lease termination.

It would be like me filing an eviction action against bon bon for failing to pay rent on my basement. Since bon bon's never been to my house, much less rented my basement, why should she show up to court to defend herself against the action? Does that prove that until April 6, 2005 she was a tenant of mine?