Boss. Being. So. Demanding. Today.
In an emotional way, not an "I want you to do this" way which of course I'd prefer.
I have been escaping to gleefully shelve books but I'm running out.
I don't like vampires. I'm gonna take a stand and say they're not good.
Xander ,'Beneath You'
Natter 34: Freak With No Name
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
flea - Mar 31, 2005 9:39:42 am PST #1887 of 10001
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DXMachina - Mar 31, 2005 9:40:43 am PST #1888 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
And also my understanding of Catholic practice might be off, but I thought you couldn't receive communion (and maybe Last Rites) without going to confession?
You're not supposed to receive communion in a state of sin, so not going to confession is not really an issue in this case. Last rites don't require confession.
I think VM was in the 8pm slot, and lost it horribly.
VM is in the 9 pm slot, opposite House and the others.
aurelia - Mar 31, 2005 9:41:51 am PST #1889 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Tiger attacks camera! [link]
Topic!Cindy - Mar 31, 2005 9:42:27 am PST #1890 of 10001
What is even happening?
I thought he did-ish. He gave her a drop of wine, but couldn't give her the wafer.
She was allowed (by the Judge? Husband?) to have communion twice after the feeding tube was removed. So, she had communion one last time before the tube was removed. I *think* the put the wine into the tube, that time.
She then had communion sometime last week, Aimee. I think they did extreme unction then too, but I'm not sure. I think that was before Easter. It might have been on Maundy Thursday or Good Friday. I don't know.
When the priest requested permission to give her communion for Easter, he was denied entry to the room by the police. Someone brought up that she was supposed to be able to get it twice. Mr. Schiavo (or whomever spoke for him) said she could have the second, as she was dying, but from the hospice chaplain, not her priest.
Cindy, if you feel comfortable sharing, do you think there was a there there, wrt her person-ness. Enough to be part of communion, or even benefit from anything other than last rites?I don't know, ita. I honestly don't know what her condition was. PVS (even if she was in it) is one of those diagnoses that is really a list of possible symptoms.
I saw a neurologist on CNN last night (Dr. Sanjay Somebody and I think he's of the opinion she was in a PVS and that it was fine to remove the tube, but I'm not certain) saying that's part of the problem here. He was referring to something called "islands of consciousness" when they were showing the video, and I took what he was saying to mean that even in PVS, there are sometimes these moments referred to as islands of consciousness, but I came in, in the middle. His point was that the law needs medicine to be more specific than it can be in some cases.
To my personal way of thinking, there was still life there. I could never be comfortable saying a human is no longer a "person" -- which is what ethicists argue in these cases. It's part of what disturbs me about the decision.
Religion-wise, I believe God would bless the act, and I think more people than just Terri (her loved ones) would be blessed by just knowing it was done. Right or wrong, they truly believe she responded to them, particularly, her mom. In other words, even if the act could have no conscious meaning to her, I think the act itself would minister to the other people who love her. If Terri Schiavo was "in there" at all still, then yes, and you know, maybe even if she was just a living body. I don't know.
Aims - Mar 31, 2005 9:45:19 am PST #1891 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.
Aims - Mar 31, 2005 9:47:44 am PST #1892 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.
Double post to see my name a lot:
"I think a lot of the reason Michael is doing this is because of vindictiveness and maybe anger toward my family for whatever reason," said Terri Schiavo's brother, Bobby Schindler. "It doesn't make any sense to me why he's doing this."
Umm...really? You don't understand why he'd feel a little vindictive to your family? REALLY?? After accusing him of abusing her, after treating him like he didn't matter for all these years? Eff you, Bobby.
§ ita § - Mar 31, 2005 9:51:56 am PST #1893 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
VM is in the 9 pm slot, opposite House and the others.
Huh. I guess they can both lose in the slot, oddly.
StuntHusband - Mar 31, 2005 9:52:14 am PST #1894 of 10001
Electromagnetic candy! - Stark
Deal done, offer accepted. Last day on the phones: a week from tomorrow.
Start new job: April 11.
NO MORE PHONES.
Yay. Happy Birthday to me (well, tomorrow).
Betsy HP - Mar 31, 2005 9:52:52 am PST #1895 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
The thing is, this is an ugly, ugly custody fight in which people say hateful things about each other in public.
Why, why, why are we making it our business to listen? This sort of thing happens everyfrickingday.
DebetEsse - Mar 31, 2005 9:53:36 am PST #1896 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Yay, Alex! Good jobs rule.