If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there, it would have been like Woodstock.

Spike ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Mar 31, 2005 5:58:44 am PST #1782 of 10001
Because books.

I guess I am all naively astonished about the shittiness of the mainstream media. What the fuck?

That's just it. No matter how much (or how little) is published, there are complex human interactions and emotions involved here, and years of history and day-to-day decisions that can't be summed up in one article. And it would seem like now that she's dead, it's not worth the trouble for them to go into detail.

I just kept feeling, over the last thirteen days, that no matter how much I thought I knew about this case, I would never know everythign I needed (or wanted) to know. I can't know exactly what Michael Schiavo is thinking or feeling, or Terri's parents. I can't see her in person, or the results of her medical testing. The media can be a dangerous thing, because they can only offer so much information.

It's maybe positive that this case raised consciousness of the need for living wills and directives, but I just keep thinking Terri was one woman, a real live human being, not a test case or a hypothetical, and the furor raised over this seemed to give everyone all over the country just enough grist for their personal mill, without any of us really being able to help her personally, or know for sure what this woman would have wanted.

That was probably an incoherent ramble, but I've been so back and forth about all of this -- no matter what side I come at it from, there's no good or easy answer. And now Terri's dead. I hope she is resting in peace, and her family, Michael included, can find some, too.


tommyrot - Mar 31, 2005 6:01:09 am PST #1783 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I think MSNBC is a little better than CNN...

If Congress and the legislators in Florida made anything very clear over the past few years of fighting about Schiavo’s fate it is that they have no idea what they are talking about.

After the spectacle of senators second-guessing diagnoses without benefit of any solid information, a governor introducing people as experts who lacked real credentials or hands-on experience, state legislators giving the spotlight to anyone who had any claim — no matter how blatantly screwy — about how to cure those who are severely brain injured, there is not a legislature in America that is ready to say or do anything useful about the right to stop treatment.

If legislators cannot stand inaction in the wake of what has just taken place then let them hold hearings in which those with claims to make are carefully cross-examined and the public given a chance to learn how conditions like permanent vegetative state and coma are diagnosed and why nearly every doctor, nurse and dietician in America knows that a feeding tube is a form of medical treatment.

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Connie Neil - Mar 31, 2005 6:04:34 am PST #1784 of 10001
brillig

Jon Stewart tore that bowtied twit Tucker Carlson a new one on CNN.

One of the shining moments of broadcast information dissemination.

"Be funny."
"I'm not your monkey."

"The show that comes on before me is puppets making crank calls! You're CNN!"

That ep should be required viewing in journalism schools.


Laura - Mar 31, 2005 6:07:31 am PST #1785 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

It's maybe positive that this case raised consciousness of the need for living wills and directives, but I just keep thinking Terri was one woman, a real live human being, not a test case or a hypothetical, and the furor raised over this seemed to give everyone all over the country just enough grist for their personal mill, without any of us really being able to help her personally, or know for sure what this woman would have wanted.

One part I can know for sure is that she wouldn't have wanted the media circus that surrounded her fate.

It is good that many people made sure their wishes are now documented.

This also served to scare a few people and open their eyes about the new role that our elected officials wish to take in running our lives, and deaths.

More urgently of note, Jessica needs to post right after me to coordinate our tags properly.


-t - Mar 31, 2005 6:12:14 am PST #1786 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I'm glad to hear Emmett had an easy time in surgery! And IVs are a pain, I agree.

Congrats StuntHusband! I was just wondering how the interview went. Damn well, it appears!

(eta: I hereby apologize for neither being Jessica nor having her tag)


Gudanov - Mar 31, 2005 6:14:24 am PST #1787 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I certainly hope everyone involved in that family finds some peace now. My thought on the case, is that there is a reason why court after court ruled the way they did. That's the job of the courts, to figure out how the law applies to a particular case.


brenda m - Mar 31, 2005 6:14:57 am PST #1788 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

No matter how much (or how little) is published, there are complex human interactions and emotions involved here, and years of history and day-to-day decisions that can't be summed up in one article.

I think that lets them off way too easily. What precisely is their reason for being if not to present complex matters and circumstances, and when did we and they start buying the idea that "he said/she said" is an adequate substitute for an evaluation of the merits of the claims on both sides?


tommyrot - Mar 31, 2005 6:18:09 am PST #1789 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

when did we and they start buying the idea that "he said/she said" is an adequate substitute for an evaluation of the merits of the claims on both sides?

That's been going on for awhile now. (Can't nail down a date, but I think it started when all the media companies started consolidating in the '80s and '90s.)

Paul Krugman has a joke that if the Republicans came out and said the world was flat, and the Democrats responded by saying that wansn't true, the newspaper headlines would read, "The Shape of the World - Two Opposing Views."


Jessica - Mar 31, 2005 6:19:40 am PST #1790 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

More urgently of note, Jessica needs to post right after me to coordinate our tags properly.

Ready? Go!


Amy - Mar 31, 2005 6:20:56 am PST #1791 of 10001
Because books.

I think that lets them off way too easily.

Well, yes and no. I think the coverage here was often slanted one way or the other, but I also agree with Gud -- the courts are designed to decide cases like this, and did so, usually with the same rulings time after time. But the media offered bits and pieces, some of which seemed purposely offered to spark debate.

My rather incoherent point was both, I guess, that the reporting should have been more objective and more complete, but also that without having peronsal knowledge of some of the pieces of this case (i.e. interaction with Terri herself, and/or a boatload of medical knowledge) it would be hard for any one in the general public to truly know what's gone on, and what the best possible outcome would be.