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Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


juliana - Mar 31, 2005 5:40:46 am PST #1773 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Oh! I have to have a marshmallow shooter!!!!

Heh. I was wondering how long it would take you to find it.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 31, 2005 5:41:26 am PST #1774 of 10001
What is even happening?

I hope her family can take peace in that--no matter what facts of her condition while she was alive--she is fine now. I hope they can remember their beliefs that she is now better off than any of us.


Lee - Mar 31, 2005 5:43:01 am PST #1775 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I think I am going to have to buy a marshmallow shooter.


JZ - Mar 31, 2005 5:50:31 am PST #1776 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Rest in peace, indeed. She's earned her rest, her freedom.

I just read the article that CNN posted about 20 minutes ago, and it's just... bizarre. Pieces of the whole sorry history that I've been reading about for weeks are glossed over, treated as hearsay, or just obfuscated something awful.

Her husband "claimed" she had bulimia. Never mind that it was determined by the court after an extensive malpractice suit that she definitely had it, that her doctors definitely failed to diagnose it, and that their failure was what ultimately led to her catastrophic electrolyte imbalance and brain-starving arrhythmia -- nope, per CNN, this was just his claim.

She'd been examined by five doctors, two hired by her parents, two by her husband and one by the court, who were divided on whether she was aware and could recover. Nothing about the devastation shown on her CAT scan, the many neurologists and occupational therapists who worked with her over the years, the guardian ad litem hired by the court to be on neither her husband's nor her parents' side but just her own, all of whom came to the same heartbreaking conclusion.

Nothing about his years tending to her, flying her around the country to try alternative therapies, going to nursing school himself; nothing about her parents' very, very late accusations that he abused her; nothing about the two friends of the couple who've also testified in court that she had expressed her wishes to them. Just "he said/they said," as if there were no history at all to the case except mutual finger-pointing and a series of curiously abstract and factless court cases.

I hate to seem all naively astonished about the shittiness of the mainstream media, but I guess I am all naively astonished about the shittiness of the mainstream media. What the fuck?


Connie Neil - Mar 31, 2005 5:52:32 am PST #1777 of 10001
brillig

I expect better of CNN. Or maybe the days of Bernie Shaw peering out his Baghdad hotel window and reporting on the missiles as they fall are over.


Jessica - Mar 31, 2005 5:54:25 am PST #1778 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I need this book


erikaj - Mar 31, 2005 5:54:43 am PST #1779 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

The disability rights movement people have acted as if nobody tried anything, JZ. My friend at Mouth says she's heard TS speak. I'm a bit puzzled by the alternative media too. It's like "Terri's Rashamon"


Nutty - Mar 31, 2005 5:56:02 am PST #1780 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I stopped expecting better of CNN when they started doing shout-news debate shows. If you'll recall, Jon Stewart tore that bowtied twit Tucker Carlson a new one on CNN.


tommyrot - Mar 31, 2005 5:56:18 am PST #1781 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I hate to seem all naively astonished about the shittiness of the mainstream media, but I guess I am all naively astonished about the shittiness of the mainstream media.

It seemed to me that her parents got more media coverage than the husband - that the parents made all sorts of claims (many which had been shown to be untrue) without even telling the husband/doctors' side, much less doing any sort of analysis on the claims of the parents and others who wanted to keep her alive. I mean, they were saying things about how she was "communicating" and what-not. And on TV they kept on showing clips from the highly-edited footage that her parents had shot....

Yes, the mainstream media is shitty....


Amy - Mar 31, 2005 5:58:44 am PST #1782 of 10001
Because books.

I guess I am all naively astonished about the shittiness of the mainstream media. What the fuck?

That's just it. No matter how much (or how little) is published, there are complex human interactions and emotions involved here, and years of history and day-to-day decisions that can't be summed up in one article. And it would seem like now that she's dead, it's not worth the trouble for them to go into detail.

I just kept feeling, over the last thirteen days, that no matter how much I thought I knew about this case, I would never know everythign I needed (or wanted) to know. I can't know exactly what Michael Schiavo is thinking or feeling, or Terri's parents. I can't see her in person, or the results of her medical testing. The media can be a dangerous thing, because they can only offer so much information.

It's maybe positive that this case raised consciousness of the need for living wills and directives, but I just keep thinking Terri was one woman, a real live human being, not a test case or a hypothetical, and the furor raised over this seemed to give everyone all over the country just enough grist for their personal mill, without any of us really being able to help her personally, or know for sure what this woman would have wanted.

That was probably an incoherent ramble, but I've been so back and forth about all of this -- no matter what side I come at it from, there's no good or easy answer. And now Terri's dead. I hope she is resting in peace, and her family, Michael included, can find some, too.