I just got back from seeing Brokeback. And on the question of was Jack killed by gaybashers, I initially thought that it was just Ennis picturing it in his mind, but then when Jack's dad said that Jack was going to bring another guy home, it made me think, well, maybe Jack *was* too open/careless/self-destructive and it really was gaybashing.

I expected to cry and cry and cry, but I only got teary at 2 scenes -- the first was Jack's mom. When she told Ennis he could go see Jack's room, her expression said everything that needed to be said, which was -- at least, this is what *I* got from her expression -- "My son loved you, and that's good enough for me." And then, in the same scene, when she tells Ennis to come back, I got teary again, just from the look on her face.

And the only other time I got teary was when Ennis got the wine out for his daughter and made the decision that he'd be at her wedding. But I have daddy issues, so it wasn't surprising that I got teary at that.

Damn, is Jake Gyllenhaal pretty. Also, this is the first movie I've ever liked him in. And Heath Ledger was just amazing.

I think people mentioned this upthread -- in my theater, people laughed when Ennis's wife saw him and Jack kissing, and I have NO idea why. It wasn't a funny moment. It was heartbreaking, really.

I think it's left plausible and likely, but not certain. (It's never directly stated, but I thought it was pretty clear from context that Jack's second affair was with the rancher, not the rancher's wife. And with that relationship being closer to home, he ran a much greater risk of getting caught.)

I came to that scene forwarned, so I didn't laugh, but I can see why people would, and it isn't so much out of funny as a sort of weird collision of reaction. There is a sort whiplash to the scene: an intense hopeful reunion then bam, someone's life crumbling in a way she really didn't expect.

Maybe I'm being charitable, but eeaush, I've laughed at moments like that. It's like you don't know how to react and laughter comes easiest.

I barked something that was much like a laugh. Wasn't at her though. And it wasn't because I thought it was funny. Even though I knew it was coming, there was a shock, and it was at them, for being busted, not at her for learning the truth.

Maybe I'm being charitable, but eeaush, I've laughed at moments like that. It's like you don't know how to react and laughter comes easiest

Yes, this. You see a world of hurt and a world of pain and it's very much an "ohhhhh, fuck" moment, but the contrast between the two portrayed emotions is so great that there's not much room to do anything else.

Do you think Twist was a predator? And do you think having gay kids automatically confers credibility?

I haven't seen the movie. I'm friendly with the Shalits -- he doesn't have a problem with gay people.

I'm friendly with the Shalits.

Then citing your knowledge of Gene carries more weight than any assumption that having gay children automatically confers you with sense or sensitivity, doesn't it?

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he doesn't have a problem with gay people.

I'd be curious to know why he read the movie so weirdly.

ita, this isn't debate team and I didn't necessarily want to get into a name droppy this is my friend thing.

Eh, its his opinon. He's reviewed movies for forty years, some of them are going to be weird.

At least from me, "I know Gene and he's not homophobic" would have generated less debate from me. How the hell can you argue with that?

Done deal.