Trying to be something you aren't
But WHY? If he can build an airplane, doesn't he have as much right to fly as someone gifted with flying powers?
Oh, I wish those council guys would let me have an hour alone in the room with her, if I was larger and had grenades.
Willow ,'Storyteller'
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Jessica - Aug 30, 2005 7:09:42 am PDT #6924 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Aims - Aug 30, 2005 7:12:30 am PDT #6925 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.
But WHY? If he can build an airplane, doesn't he have as much right to fly as someone gifted with flying powers?
He does have the right to fly. To me, it wasn't about the powers. It was about the motivation. Syndrome only wanted to help people so he could get the glory and the admiration. He wanted to be looked at as special. And when Mr Incredible brushed him off, he becomes obsessed with making sure NO one can be special, just because he couldn't. He didn't want to be a "hero", in (my) definition of the word. He just wanted to be popular.
For me, I related to him because instead of coming out as a kid and saying "Look at all this cool stuff I can make!" and showing off his genius, he hid it. And tried to tie his cart to someone else's wagon. I did the same thing. And that, was wrong. IMVHO.
Jessica - Aug 30, 2005 7:21:59 am PDT #6926 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Syndrome only wanted to help people so he could get the glory and the admiration.
Because in the beginning, when he was just a nerdy kid, that's what Mr Incredible taught him being a hero was about. But since the Incredible family's powers are special, they all turn out just great, even though their dad's an elitist prick.
Tom Scola - Aug 30, 2005 7:27:38 am PDT #6927 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
I read the whole film as Brad Bird's reaction to getting shitcanned by Warner.
flea - Aug 30, 2005 7:29:07 am PDT #6928 of 10002
information libertarian
My main problem with Syndrome is Brad Bird's voice. Which I hate. (I mean, I hate the man's natural voice. I know he can't help it.)
My main problem with The Incredibles is the gender and family stereotyping. I liked it the least of all the Pixar films. But the short on the DVD, Boundin', is pure gold.
Frankenbuddha - Aug 30, 2005 7:30:12 am PDT #6929 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
My main problem with Syndrome is Brad Bird's voice. Which I hate.
Err, wasn't Jason Lee the voice of Syndrome? I thought Brad Bird only did the costume designer.
flea - Aug 30, 2005 7:31:07 am PDT #6930 of 10002
information libertarian
Oh, really? Syndrome sounds just like Bird when he talks in the extras. I just assumed. Damn, am I misplacing my hate?
Kathy A - Aug 30, 2005 7:31:38 am PDT #6931 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil
Pink? Pink?
What's wrong with pink?
You've got a
Pink kink in your think.
flea - Aug 30, 2005 7:36:05 am PDT #6932 of 10002
information libertarian
Doesn't matter what color
No, that gets a 'nope,"
Be it pink, purple, or heliotrope.
Nutty - Aug 30, 2005 7:38:13 am PDT #6933 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
at the same time, it can be read as an indictment of politics of exclusion (superheroes are marginalized minorities)-- like The Iron Giant.
Well, there is "I am different and you exclude me, that isn't right" and then there is "I am Superior and you don't acknowedge that, that isn't right." The first, you'll get school assemblies about in the sixth grade. The second, you'll write papers about while studying Nietszche.
(As a side note, one of the most irritating things I've seen in college classroom discussions about minority/race/advantage/disadvantage is the people who trot out "I had freckles, and all the kids laughed at me!" as a form of discrimination. Mostly, it's a matter of people who grew up with no diversity around them, and thus totally unaware of any experience other than their own, but it makes my eyes roll like shades pulled too hard.)