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Buffista Movies 4: Straight to Video  

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Steph L. - Jun 27, 2005 9:43:59 am PDT #4705 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

But the criminal was alone with Batman, in Batman's mind. He didn't know he had an audience. No reason to build up the fear there. Technically.

Really? I think if you build up fear in the criminal, then he tells 2 friends, and they tell 2 friends....

Seriously. Batman has to create the I Am The Night (and I Will Fuck You UP, Motherfucker) image.

t edit Or, what ita said.

However, I still saw no enjoyment of his little hide-and-seek "Here" to the criminal. He wasn't being scary because he *could,* as I see it; he was being scary because it was effective for what he needed to do.

Batman is VERY practical and utilitarian. He's not theatrical; at least, not for the sake of being theatrical. Yes, the whole Bat thing, the cape, etc., *is* dramatic, and Bruce knows it. But he's not doing it to be all theatrical and faaaaabulous; he's doing it because he knows a little theatricality will leave an impression. And if he does it right, that impression is Don't Fuck With The Bat.


§ ita § - Jun 27, 2005 9:44:48 am PDT #4706 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Teppy, will you marry me?


Gris - Jun 27, 2005 9:44:55 am PDT #4707 of 10002
Hey. New board.

If he wants to instill fear in criminals, scaring the bejesus out of one thug with a "boo" and somewhat opening his defenses in the process is not the way to go, I'd say. ESPECIALLY since the thug probably got a better look at him that way. The flying around the ceiling, always just out of site, striking without ever being quite seen is the way he should go, it builds up a mysterious what-the-hell fear thing in large groups of thugs, rather than exposing him immediately as a ninja man in a really cool halloween costume.

I did love the scene, don't get me wrong. But you have to enjoy the reaction if you jump out at somebody and yell "boo" or else why do it? It doesn't really inspire true fear, just startlement.


Nutty - Jun 27, 2005 9:45:00 am PDT #4708 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I just don't see any evidence in Batman Begins (to bring it back to *just* the movie) that Batman gets any joy out of scaring the crap out of Gotham's criminals.

I agree with you. Among many other details, that is a reason why I couldn't care about the Batman I saw onscreen. He was rhetoric and abstracts without enough/any concrete emotion.

Of all the comic book heroes, I expect to care about Batman the most. He's got no magic powers, and he has a tailor-made woobie-worthy backstory. My inability to care about him in this movie suggests that they left out too many of the emotions I recognize. (I don't mean that he was emotionally expressionless; I think that's a standard among many Batmans. But the film itself left out some of the variety of emotion that would have made me able to empathize.)


Jessica - Jun 27, 2005 9:45:24 am PDT #4709 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

No reason to build up the fear there. Technically.

Except that the explicitly stated purpose of Batman is to scare criminals. And since he doesn't kill people (mumblecoughcarchasecollateraldamagemumble), he kind of has to be scary all the time. If a criminal lives to say, "Yeah, well when I was alone with him, he wasn't scary, he was just some guy in a kevlar wetsuit," then the whole Batman mystique falls apart.

[holy x-post!]


Polter-Cow - Jun 27, 2005 9:46:03 am PDT #4710 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Aren't comic books at heart really meant for children?

Someone hasn't stepped into a comic book store in many, many years. Possibly ever.


Steph L. - Jun 27, 2005 9:46:23 am PDT #4711 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Teppy, will you marry me?

If it means Blue Mountain coffee every morning, hell yes I will!


§ ita § - Jun 27, 2005 9:46:56 am PDT #4712 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But you have to enjoy the reaction if you jump out at somebody and yell "boo" or else why do it? It doesn't really inspire true fear, just startlement.

Was the character depicted as scared? Honestly, if a man dressed as a bat and promising (authoritatively, judging by physical language) violence jumped out at me, I'd be scared.


§ ita § - Jun 27, 2005 9:47:27 am PDT #4713 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If it means Blue Mountain coffee every morning, hell yes I will!

For you, I will do this.


Sean K - Jun 27, 2005 9:48:44 am PDT #4714 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

One of the other things I very much liked about this movie is the making explicit of Bruce's first really murky decision -- what to do about Ra's al Ghul. His "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you," was fantastic. I really hope they explore the further impact of that decision in the upcoming movies.