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Buffista Movies 4: Straight to Video  

A place to talk about movies--old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.


§ ita § - Jun 27, 2005 9:46:56 am PDT #4712 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But you have to enjoy the reaction if you jump out at somebody and yell "boo" or else why do it? It doesn't really inspire true fear, just startlement.

Was the character depicted as scared? Honestly, if a man dressed as a bat and promising (authoritatively, judging by physical language) violence jumped out at me, I'd be scared.


§ ita § - Jun 27, 2005 9:47:27 am PDT #4713 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If it means Blue Mountain coffee every morning, hell yes I will!

For you, I will do this.


Sean K - Jun 27, 2005 9:48:44 am PDT #4714 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

One of the other things I very much liked about this movie is the making explicit of Bruce's first really murky decision -- what to do about Ra's al Ghul. His "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you," was fantastic. I really hope they explore the further impact of that decision in the upcoming movies.


DebetEsse - Jun 27, 2005 9:48:46 am PDT #4715 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Askye--But, given the post-parole scene, and the couple of Bruce as playboy scenes, it makes sense that she would see more of the Bruce she knows in Batman than in the public performance of Bruce. I think we're also given to understand that at the party.


Gris - Jun 27, 2005 9:51:00 am PDT #4716 of 10002
Hey. New board.

Me, I'd be more scared if I never saw my assailent. When I woke up, I'd know that something really frightening had taken me out, and all my gun-toting homies, without me ever getting a look or hearing a sound, except for the rustling of something that sounded just a bit like wings.

I like the idea of the criminals not being sure if batman is a man or a creature, at least at first. Speaking to a criminal, not the best way to maintain that mystique. I don't necessarily think this movie wanted to maintain that idea, but it still seems that silent action would be both safer and equally as scary - a better tactical judgment, if nothing else.

I'd do it the way he did it, because I'd get a thrill out of the startled reaction, and my ability to not get shot despite my giving an opening. But I'm not a master strategist in life; in a video game, I'd use a sniper there every time.


Atropa - Jun 27, 2005 9:52:12 am PDT #4717 of 10002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

(Also, I keep misreading Batman as Bateman. I blame Christian Bale.)

Oh good, it's not just me.

I have nothing to really add to the discussion, because Teppy and ita have been saying everything I would want to say.


Steph L. - Jun 27, 2005 9:52:50 am PDT #4718 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

If it means Blue Mountain coffee every morning, hell yes I will!

For you, I will do this.

My mom will be SO pleased that I've landed a spouse, much less one with a good job AND one who can protect me from all harm.

Marvy.


Jessica - Jun 27, 2005 9:52:59 am PDT #4719 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But, given the post-parole scene, and the couple of [spoiler omitted], it makes sense that she would

Also, if their ages are to make any sense, she apparently graduated law school around age 15. So she's smart enough to make that leap.


Mr. Broom - Jun 27, 2005 9:56:31 am PDT #4720 of 10002
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

I like the idea of the criminals not being sure if batman is a man or a creature, at least at first. Speaking to a criminal, not the best way to maintain that mystique. I don't necessarily think this movie wanted to maintain that idea, but it still seems that silent action would be both safer and equally as scary - a better tactical judgment, if nothing else.
I have to agree, but in the end, you really have to chalk that up to it being a movie. You need more face-to-face-like interaction for these scenes to work in a film. If there were a real Batman in the real world, your route would be the preferred one, but concessions have to be made for film structure.


Nutty - Jun 27, 2005 9:57:45 am PDT #4721 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

But he's not doing it to be all theatrical and faaaaabulous; he's doing it because he knows a little theatricality will leave an impression.

Oh, you know what I realized? I can't divorce the one from the other. In real life, I don't believe that you can use tools of manipulation without getting a charge out of being able to manipulate. There is no "I do this because I must" without ego; ego inheres automatically to that sentence.

This may be what is causing the confusion.

Edited to prove I kan spel.