I am not...I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for 5 years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that. What a wonder...how very scared I am.

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


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§ ita § - Jun 06, 2005 4:14:47 am PDT #3768 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

great huge wodges of stuff went missing

Dear GOD. Me, as a non-historian, felt that for a story, wodges could have been left out, and I'd have liked it more. I have no interest in a Howard Hughes documentary.

Raquel, does the Company credits page not have what you want?


Jessica - Jun 06, 2005 5:22:21 am PDT #3769 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Raquel, I think Silent Running is a transitional film to the era you're describing. It even has them hauling a bit of earth out into space and then deciding that the green stuff is better off without man's pernicious influence. It's the first movie I remember that really made space look big and empty and emphasized human alienation.

All that AND the main character gives a moral lecture to a couple of air-conditioners at one point. Brilliant!

(Seriously, I was going to mention Silent Running too, but Hec beat me to it.)

It's a classic case of telling instead of showing.

The funny thing is that all of Zach's student films (that I saw) were show-not-tell, almost to a fault -- gorgeous pacing and composition, very very very sparse writing. I think he just got carried away here.


Nutty - Jun 06, 2005 5:26:04 am PDT #3770 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

If the movie is in print, you can probably find the studio name on the packaging (or on the Amazon page). If it's not in print, I bet that movie dictionaries like Leonard Maltin's will list the studio. (Although, come to think, Matlin's book lists only movies in print.)

Alienation, as an SF trope, or alienation-in-space? Because, I can think of a couple of "the future sucks, and it's all our fault" movies (some of them true shlock, like Soylent Green ) but they don't take place in space. There are a bunch of evil-corporation-future-societies that just didn't have the budget for space ships, from THX-1138 on down.


Volans - Jun 06, 2005 5:26:27 am PDT #3771 of 10002
move out and draw fire

Thanks, ita - a case of too many interface options, and a too-impatient Raq. I didn't see that choice at all.

OK, Silent Running definitely on the list.


Volans - Jun 06, 2005 5:30:19 am PDT #3772 of 10002
move out and draw fire

Alienation-on-a-ship for preference. The idea being that the setting needs to be off Earth, or at least away from civilization (the farther the better), isolated, and fragile in and of itself. Horror and death are key players also.

I can't decide about 2001. It's got some aspects of this, but it's also got this feeling that we are all cosmically connected.


Nutty - Jun 06, 2005 5:35:44 am PDT #3773 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

What if the last 2 minutes of 2001 hadn't happened? Because, that's the only part where we're-all-connected hoodoo predominates, in my mind. Cut that, and you've got a beautiful, massively inefficient, austere version of Cabin Fever going on.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 06, 2005 5:36:22 am PDT #3774 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

It's been years since I saw it, but the loneliness of space was always the foremost emotional hit for me.


Volans - Jun 06, 2005 5:42:34 am PDT #3775 of 10002
move out and draw fire

And HAL really puts it in this category.


tommyrot - Jun 06, 2005 5:54:16 am PDT #3776 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I prefer the ending of the novel, where the Space Baby comes back to Earth and starts a nuclear war just for the hell of it.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 06, 2005 6:12:47 am PDT #3777 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Wow, totally did not recall that part. Now I'm wondering if I ever actually read the original rather than just its sequels.