Yeah, I didn't care for Doom Generation either. The only Araki movie I liked besides Mysterious Skin is nowhere.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I bet if you pay attention to the editing in those scenes (always difficult on a first watch), you'll find that the kids weren't necessarily present for the nasty stuff.

Yeah, this is true and I noticed it when I watched. But it's still so disturbing to see, for example, a young boy with a man's thumb in his mouth.

Everything else aside, was MT good in her role?

Araki directed one of the worst movies I have ever seen, The Doom Generation. It seemed totally exploitative, and wanky in a "how can I shock the great unwashed masses?" way. Since then, he's on my list. The bad one.

Nearly every review of the movie that I've read has commented that his other movies have been exploitative and sensationalistic. The majority of them have gone on to say that he finally found a subject and script that worked for him, and proceeded to praise the movie.

MT was good but she wasn't in it all that much. She played the best friend of one of the kids. It was funny to see her all gothed out.

To switch to a director who is Greg Araki's oppsite in every way--I just saw Cinderella Man this evening. Predictable, safe filmmaking, but also a helluva movie. The time flew by and the performances were uniformly excellent. Crowe and Giamatti are GREAT together. I don't actually like Crowe that much but I thought he was nuanced and powerful and amazing.

Finally saw "The Aviator" last night. Good acting and directing that I kept getting distracted from by the liberties taken with history. I understand, the man's life was very, very full and you can't even tell all of a 20-year segment of it without running way too long, but great huge wodges of stuff went missing. Fairly important stuff.

However, the cameos by both Rufus and Loudon Wainwright and Cate Blanchett's dead-on Kate Hepburn voice did it for me (so much so that I was able to ignore that she looked nothing at all like Hepburn).

OK, I need a list of movies to end this blurb (from a game project I'm working on):

There is a profound loneliness and isolation in space which, owing to the growing special effects capabilities of the 1980’s, film makers began to exploit. There is nothing like it on Earth, where, no matter how hostile the environment, there is always the possibility of encountering another human being. Space is fundamentally different; fundamentally colder and uncaring.

Where earlier science fiction frequently centered on the Earth and various aliens’ plans for it, the next generation of science-fiction movies intentionally distanced themselves, physically and emotionally, from the blue and green home of humanity.

Alienation, rather than aliens, became the central theme of these movies, and movie-goers were treated to a wide variety of outlooks on the future, most showing a grimly polluted and corporate environment in which people were merely pawns to the real, but mostly faceless, powers-that-be.

Although space still contained slavering monsters, dangers beyond reckoning, and horrific imaginings, the relentless drum beat of this genre is that society has been replaced with faceless corporatism, and that individuals must hang together in the face of dangers, both external and internal, or they most certainly will hang separately.

A few classics of the genre include:

Alien

Outland

Aliens

Sphere

Event Horizon

Solaris

And by "classics" I mean movies that match my thesis, not necessarily good movies. This is the list my husband and I came up with; what are we missing?

A little art-house flick, goes by the name of Blade Runner. Maybe you've heard of it?

On a less teasing note, there's also a nice little Brit sci-fi flick that touches heavily on alienation (though less on faceless corporatism) called The Quiet Earth. Very moody and atmospheric.

Hmmm....

Gattaca also touches on those themes a bit. I'll list others as they come to me.

Sean, pppfffbbtt!

Blade Runner gets close, but I'm not sure it's got the "we're all gonna die here" vibe of Alien or such, you know? Still, the mood is right. Good suggestions.