I'll just jump in my time machine, go back to the twelfth century, and ask the vampires to postpone their ancient prophesy for a few days while you take in dinner and a show.

Giles ,'Selfless'


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Gris - Jun 05, 2005 9:22:16 am PDT #3757 of 10002
Hey. New board.

Araki directed one of the worst movies I have ever seen, The Doom Generation. It seemed totally exploitative, and wanky in a "how can I shock the great unwashed masses?" way. Since then, he's on my list. The bad one.

Nearly every review of the movie that I've read has commented that his other movies have been exploitative and sensationalistic. The majority of them have gone on to say that he finally found a subject and script that worked for him, and proceeded to praise the movie.


Glamcookie - Jun 05, 2005 6:15:07 pm PDT #3758 of 10002
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

MT was good but she wasn't in it all that much. She played the best friend of one of the kids. It was funny to see her all gothed out.


Scrappy - Jun 05, 2005 8:24:27 pm PDT #3759 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

To switch to a director who is Greg Araki's oppsite in every way--I just saw Cinderella Man this evening. Predictable, safe filmmaking, but also a helluva movie. The time flew by and the performances were uniformly excellent. Crowe and Giamatti are GREAT together. I don't actually like Crowe that much but I thought he was nuanced and powerful and amazing.


Mr. Broom - Jun 05, 2005 8:31:08 pm PDT #3760 of 10002
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Finally saw "The Aviator" last night. Good acting and directing that I kept getting distracted from by the liberties taken with history. I understand, the man's life was very, very full and you can't even tell all of a 20-year segment of it without running way too long, but great huge wodges of stuff went missing. Fairly important stuff.

However, the cameos by both Rufus and Loudon Wainwright and Cate Blanchett's dead-on Kate Hepburn voice did it for me (so much so that I was able to ignore that she looked nothing at all like Hepburn).


Volans - Jun 05, 2005 9:13:40 pm PDT #3761 of 10002
move out and draw fire

OK, I need a list of movies to end this blurb (from a game project I'm working on):

There is a profound loneliness and isolation in space which, owing to the growing special effects capabilities of the 1980’s, film makers began to exploit. There is nothing like it on Earth, where, no matter how hostile the environment, there is always the possibility of encountering another human being. Space is fundamentally different; fundamentally colder and uncaring.

Where earlier science fiction frequently centered on the Earth and various aliens’ plans for it, the next generation of science-fiction movies intentionally distanced themselves, physically and emotionally, from the blue and green home of humanity.

Alienation, rather than aliens, became the central theme of these movies, and movie-goers were treated to a wide variety of outlooks on the future, most showing a grimly polluted and corporate environment in which people were merely pawns to the real, but mostly faceless, powers-that-be.

Although space still contained slavering monsters, dangers beyond reckoning, and horrific imaginings, the relentless drum beat of this genre is that society has been replaced with faceless corporatism, and that individuals must hang together in the face of dangers, both external and internal, or they most certainly will hang separately.

A few classics of the genre include:
Alien
Outland
Aliens
Sphere
Event Horizon
Solaris

And by "classics" I mean movies that match my thesis, not necessarily good movies. This is the list my husband and I came up with; what are we missing?


Sean K - Jun 05, 2005 9:16:41 pm PDT #3762 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

A little art-house flick, goes by the name of Blade Runner. Maybe you've heard of it?


Sean K - Jun 05, 2005 9:19:28 pm PDT #3763 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

On a less teasing note, there's also a nice little Brit sci-fi flick that touches heavily on alienation (though less on faceless corporatism) called The Quiet Earth. Very moody and atmospheric.

Hmmm....

Gattaca also touches on those themes a bit. I'll list others as they come to me.


Volans - Jun 05, 2005 9:41:23 pm PDT #3764 of 10002
move out and draw fire

Sean, pppfffbbtt!

Blade Runner gets close, but I'm not sure it's got the "we're all gonna die here" vibe of Alien or such, you know? Still, the mood is right. Good suggestions.


DavidS - Jun 05, 2005 11:15:16 pm PDT #3765 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Raquel, I think Silent Running is a transitional film to the era you're describing. It even has them hauling a bit of earth out into space and then deciding that the green stuff is better off without man's pernicious influence. It's the first movie I remember that really made space look big and empty and emphasized human alienation.

I'll also note that it is conventional rock crit thinking that Bowie's favorite early metaphors circled around aliens:alienation with a big dose of apocalpyse on top: Space Oddity, Ziggy Stardust, Man Who Fell to Earth. Hmm, is this relevant? Too early for your thesis I guess but a precursor of the meme?

Also, the fairly early cheapie Dark Star does a good job of evoking the mindfuck of staring into the black (in a black humored way).


Volans - Jun 05, 2005 11:27:34 pm PDT #3766 of 10002
move out and draw fire

Oh, yes, Dark Star is a definite. I sometimes lump it in with Dr. Strangelove and that Dennis Hopper movie where they were in a propaganda plane that was still flying...hmm, need to go look that one up. But anyway, yeah, Dark Star counts, as does Silent Running.

Excellent. Knew this was where to ask.

Now my next question - I need to cite year and studio for each film. IMDb has the years, but not the studios, at least not that I can find. Any idea where to look, for the movies I don't own?