Whether the visions were always from Jasmine or not, they still did the good things they did, they still made their own choices. They made some of those choices based on bad information, but that doesn't make the choices less good or less theirs. That said, I really hated the Cordelia-gets-possessed-by-an-evil-entity storyline so so much. I kept waiting for them to redeem it but they never did, despite the episode where Cordy gets to say good-bye.
Angel: Miss me? Lilah: Only in the sense of…no.
'Just Rewards (2)'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Zenkitty - Oct 30, 2012 7:46:32 am PDT #9702 of 10458
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Jessica - Oct 30, 2012 7:48:45 am PDT #9703 of 10458
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I am on record as loving S4 and everything about it, so naturally I found the Jasmine retcon utterly brilliant.
Zenkitty - Oct 30, 2012 7:52:10 am PDT #9704 of 10458
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Fred gets consumed by Illyria
Hated that even more. If they'd just killed the character I would've been sad but basically okay with it, it's a show where people die, but to have her soul consumed to the point where there was nothing left of Fred was much worse than just killing her, and wasn't necessary to the plot.
Sophia Brooks - Oct 30, 2012 7:54:57 am PDT #9705 of 10458
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
Wait-- Jasmine was controlling everything? I thought it was just after Cordy went to 'heaven"? I only watched that season once, so I may just be confused.
victor infante - Oct 30, 2012 8:00:28 am PDT #9706 of 10458
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Wait-- Jasmine was controlling everything? I thought it was just after Cordy went to 'heaven"? I only watched that season once, so I may just be confused.
No, it's purposefully ambiguous. But it's implied (most directly by Skip) that she's been manipulating events for some time.
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 30, 2012 8:10:20 am PDT #9707 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Cordy and Angel still had visions after Jasmine was destroyed, so at least some of the visions legitimately came from TPTB. I choose to think most if not all of them before Cordy agreed to be demonized in "Birthday."
Steph L. - Oct 30, 2012 5:51:00 pm PDT #9708 of 10458
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
I watched "Fear, Itself" tonight, because it's seasonally appropriate, and I only have 2 words:
Giles. Chainsaw.
ChiKat - Oct 30, 2012 5:53:38 pm PDT #9709 of 10458
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
I would like to add two more: Giles. Sombrero.
Steph L. - Oct 30, 2012 6:08:16 pm PDT #9710 of 10458
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
Ahahaha, the sombrero! The fringe just keeps swinging back and forth!
Also, man, I love Oz.
sumi - Oct 31, 2012 4:39:43 am PDT #9711 of 10458
Art Crawl!!!
Hmmmm, perhaps the bad Angelus' wigs were really just from DB's own collection.