Passion will kill him dead. I know it did kill me. I'm a ghost, can't you tell?
Dawn: I feel safe with you. Spike: Take that back!
'First Date'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
DCJensen - Jan 10, 2012 11:46:10 am PST #8185 of 10459
All is well that ends in pizza.
Connie Neil - Jan 10, 2012 12:18:27 pm PST #8186 of 10459
brillig
issues with Xander
I don't think he knows how to deal with feeling sympathy for a guy who (apparently) has so many characteristics that he hates.
edit: So looking forward to "Zeppo"
§ ita § - Jan 10, 2012 12:50:57 pm PST #8187 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Was anyone else kind of grossed out by the demon thinking so poorly of Giles respecting Jenny’s consent?
He gets demons, right? And evil? He's at least read about evil?
sj - Jan 10, 2012 12:59:18 pm PST #8188 of 10459
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
He gets demons, right? And evil? He's at least read about evil?
I didn't know what to make of that either.
Connie Neil - Jan 10, 2012 1:01:08 pm PST #8189 of 10459
brillig
He has the most curious expectations of humanity. His idealism is sweet, but odd.
askye - Jan 10, 2012 1:56:00 pm PST #8190 of 10459
Thrive to spite them
I wonder how he's going to take Warren.
Actually I always did have an issue with the whole Spike is good because he has a soul issue with Warren being a normal human doing his horrible stuff. But then, I wanted to see something more complex, like Spike deciding to do evil because he had a choice.
§ ita § - Jan 10, 2012 2:08:24 pm PST #8191 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Spike wasn't good because he had a soul, was he? I mean, he wasn't driven to be evil, but I see that as different. He could have been evil with a soul, but he got the soul so he didn't have to be evil anymore.
And he was kinda not-as-evil there at the end. It was more of an exercise of will to stay on the straight and narrow, and his will was just not up to it (ergo Seeing Red, etc).
askye - Jan 10, 2012 2:16:00 pm PST #8192 of 10459
Thrive to spite them
It's more my own feelings about Spike. Although I haven't rewatched those episodes in a long time. I just remember feeling frustrated because it felt like Spike was retreading Angel's storyline and wanting Spike from the early seasons, which would have been limited growth.
le nubian - Jan 10, 2012 2:31:23 pm PST #8193 of 10459
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
I agree with you. 100%.
§ ita § - Jan 10, 2012 2:36:44 pm PST #8194 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Tell me more about retreading Angel's arc. He had a crazy spell, but we got to see it, and he was on board with the soul thing right away, since it was his idea, not a torment. Also, he had no curse, so all of that angst completely didn't exist.
I can't see a mirror to Angel without the angst, honestly. It was such a big part of him.