Zoe: Is there any way I'm gonna get out of this with honor and dignity? Wash: You're pretty much down to ritual suicide, lambie-toes.

'War Stories'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Morgana - Jan 03, 2012 6:33:59 pm PST #8087 of 10459
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I just read his "School Hard" piece, and came across the warning.

A note on commenting about this particular episode: I know you are going to want to call Spike “crazy” to describe his behavior or characterization, so I’m going to just go ahead and ask you not to. First of all, if you’re not familiar, it is considered a slur and I don’t allow it on the site to be used except in a reclamation sense. I don’t care if you use it in your life and I’m not interested in telling anyone how to talk in their own life or own communities. But this is a large, public community here and it’s fairly diverse. I’m just trying to look out for those who might be marginalized. Can we all try to do this around here? THANK YOU I LOVE YOU ALL YOU’RE THE BEST.

My first reaction was absolute puzzlement -- why on earth would anyone call Spike crazy? There are many ajectives that apply to Spike, but crazy isn't one of them.

I followed the link he supplied to explain why "crazy" is considered a slur. The link doesn't provide an alternative phrase to use in the eventuality that a person really does have mental problems (and although the site states at the top that it isn't intended to tell people what words they can and can't use, obviously Mark uses it that way).

This is my first exposure to his site. Has he never come across characters before who have mental problems? Does he have the same delicacies about physical issues?


Rayne - Jan 03, 2012 7:21:40 pm PST #8088 of 10459
"Oh no! Has falling sky liquid once again caused you the sadness?" -Starfire

It feels like someone warned him that a problematic character would be showing up in School Hard that has a mental illness and somehow he thinks it's Spike. That last paragraph is rather odd.


Zenkitty - Jan 03, 2012 7:24:25 pm PST #8089 of 10459
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I'm a bit baffled at his lack of attention to Drusilla, too.


DavidS - Jan 03, 2012 7:28:02 pm PST #8090 of 10459
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

As P-Cow notes, Mark doesn't do a typical, comprehensive review but records his reaction to whatever he's watching (sort of like Pauline Kael, now that I think of it). As such, he doesn't always latch onto what's immediately in front of him and there's a bit of catch-up in later reviews as he assesses the importance of new characters.

Remember, he's almost totally unspoiled (which is a big part of the appeal of his reviews) so he doesn't always know what's going to be significant going forward. In this episode he's mostly focusing on (a) Joyce being awesome; (b) Spike has arrived.


le nubian - Jan 03, 2012 7:38:38 pm PST #8091 of 10459
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I'm with the others though, Dru left a significant impression on me my first time through and I was unspoiled.

I get that he will catch up though. It will be interesting to see how he treats Dru. Especially when he gets over to Angel. Man oh man.


Jessica - Jan 04, 2012 4:07:59 am PST #8092 of 10459
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Okay, I finally clicked over to Mark Watches. ZOMGWTFCAPSLOCK.

Think I'll stick to reading Buffistas Read Mark Watches over here.


le nubian - Jan 04, 2012 4:19:42 am PST #8093 of 10459
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Buffistas Read Mark Watches

Ha! We should totally start a new site.


Fred Pete - Jan 04, 2012 4:21:11 am PST #8094 of 10459
Ann, that's a ferret.

Yet there's also a certain enjoyment when Mark gets something -- half right. Like the way he's figured out that Spike will be important in S2. But doesn't have a clue about Angelus in S2 or the chip in S4 and after.

And oh, how "The Body" is going to tear him up. Even more than it does most people, if that's possible.


Zenkitty - Jan 04, 2012 4:59:34 pm PST #8095 of 10459
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Mark just got to Inca Mummy Girl. Funny how I had completely forgotten about that episode.


amyth - Jan 04, 2012 5:16:35 pm PST #8096 of 10459
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

I'm up to S4 now, and I think I'm going to rewatch S1 Angel, too.