Dawn: I feel safe with you. Spike: Take that back!

'First Date'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Allyson - Nov 30, 2010 8:38:44 am PST #7692 of 10464
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I love Dug, too. I watch Up before bed if I can't sleep. The music puts me right out.


DavidS - Nov 30, 2010 8:50:54 am PST #7693 of 10464
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Checks thread header...

On-topic observation: the corner quotes just pulled up a quote exchange between Angel and Eve. And my brain said, "Eve? Eve...?"

And then I was able to pull her out of my memory. But it took a lot of effort so I am voting her to be the very least memorable recurring character in the Whedonverse.

Bad job casting or poorly conceived character or both?


Tom Scola - Nov 30, 2010 8:54:07 am PST #7694 of 10464
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

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Morena Baccarin was originally supposed to play Eve. However, FOX would not allow it due to her involvement in another television show at the time.


DavidS - Nov 30, 2010 8:58:55 am PST #7695 of 10464
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Well, that would've worked better. Especially considering how good Morena is on V with the chilly authority.


Fern Armstrong - Nov 30, 2010 9:18:56 am PST #7696 of 10464
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I think a different (better) actor could have played Eve far more evil and subtle. As I remember, a lot of times she seemed off and/or wooden.


Jessica - Nov 30, 2010 9:27:05 am PST #7697 of 10464
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I was fine with Eve as "mouthpiece for the Senior Partners" being kind of bland and uninteresting, but once she started hatching her own plots and sleeping with Lindsay, they really needed someone with more screen presence.

I also think she was poorly written, but actorly charisma goes a long way towards hiding thinly written characters.


Strega - Nov 30, 2010 9:42:28 am PST #7698 of 10464

I think the actress was ungood, but the character was poorly conceived from the jump. If Whedon wanted us to think she was subtle, maybe he shouldn't have named her Eve and introduced her in a scene where she tosses an apple at the main character. Barf.


Polter-Cow - Nov 30, 2010 9:47:11 am PST #7699 of 10464
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

introduced her in a scene where she tosses an apple at the main character.

Which inspired one of my favorite lines from your recaps, the bit about having a very loose definition of "action show."


Steph L. - Nov 30, 2010 9:54:07 am PST #7700 of 10464
I look more rad than Lutheranism

As I remember, a lot of times she seemed off and/or wooden.

They should have just gone with Adam Baldwin from the start.


Vortex - Nov 30, 2010 10:59:39 am PST #7701 of 10464
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Well, that whole episode with Angel having sex with Senior Partners' rep would have gone very differently, I think.