Coming to mind first are 'The Yoko Effect' and 'Primeval', where the results of not having friends and family close are explored. Spike's comments in 'School Hard' are relevant. Neither of those are directly about still being alive, though. I'll be thinking of more...
Simon: The decision saved your life. Zoe: Won't happen again, sir. Mal: Good. And thanks. I'm grateful. Zoe: It was my pleasure, sir.
'Out Of Gas'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Sep 04, 2010 1:44:30 am PDT #7433 of 10464
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"
§ ita § - Sep 04, 2010 5:34:46 am PDT #7434 of 10464
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The speech you're thinking of, Shir, is probably the one Seska mentions from School Hard (titling the last Bitches thread):
Spike: "A Slayer with family and friends. That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure."
It's a response to being brained by Joyce, so I think it directly connects to her being alive because of family.
Shir - Sep 04, 2010 5:48:50 am PDT #7435 of 10464
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
The part I remember is "you've got family, [possibly more words here], friends, people who...". It's not Spike from School Hard.
But thank you, and keep 'em coming.
(Context to sociology-speakers: a part of what I'm doing is taking Durkheim's study on suicides, and linking it to superheros).
Steph L. - Sep 04, 2010 6:40:19 am PDT #7436 of 10464
I look more rad than Lutheranism
The part I remember is "you've got family, [possibly more words here], friends, people who...". It's not Spike from School Hard.
Probably from the alley scene in Fool for Love.
t edit "Every Slayer has a death wish. Even you. The only reason you've lasted as long as you have is you've got ties to the world. Your mum, brat kid sister, Scoobies. They all tie you here but you're just puttin' off the inevitable."
Shir - Sep 04, 2010 6:46:12 am PDT #7437 of 10464
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
That, thank you, yes! (you have no idea how long I've been Googling and trying to remember where it's from. No idea).
Steph L. - Sep 04, 2010 6:49:29 am PDT #7438 of 10464
I look more rad than Lutheranism
I have a creepy memory that hangs on to EVERYTHING.
Shir - Sep 04, 2010 6:52:09 am PDT #7439 of 10464
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
And I fear, love and respect you for that.
DebetEsse - Sep 04, 2010 7:25:57 am PDT #7440 of 10464
Woe to the fucking wicked.
You could also talk about Xander's Yellow Crayon saving the world.
Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Sep 04, 2010 11:29:17 am PDT #7441 of 10464
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"
Context to sociology-speakers: a part of what I'm doing is taking Durkheim's study on suicides, and linking it to superheros
That is far too exciting. Details! Draft copies!
Shir - Sep 04, 2010 11:53:02 am PDT #7442 of 10464
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
I'm still working on the Buffyverse connection, but what set me to do it, in the first place, was Durkheim's observation that moral ideas are (solely?) composed of certain amount of egoism, certain amount of altruism, and a dash of anomie. In that moment, all I could think of was "OMG! It's Captain Jack Harkness! And the Doctor!".
And since Durkheim shows that if any of these "ingredients" of the social order is too strong in an individual there will be a suicide of some sort, the easiest thing is to show how it works with superheros.
The other coolest thing in my plan is to use this as a demonstration to what simulacra is.