I just think it's rather odd that a nation that prides itself on its virility should feel compelled to strap on forty pounds of protective gear just in order to play rugby.

Giles ,'Beneath You'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 08, 2009 1:18:25 pm PST #6912 of 10467
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Robot Chicken. It must be so much fun to indulge your inner 12-year old and 35 years of pop-culture experience AND get paid for it.


Jon B. - Feb 11, 2009 11:40:18 am PST #6913 of 10467
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Interview with Joss in Salon today: [link]


DavidS - Feb 11, 2009 6:42:09 pm PST #6914 of 10467
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Interview with Joss in Salon today: [link]

But the show really finds itself in the second half.

Doom doom doom. So very fucked. Nobody's going to see the second half of the show until it comes out on DVD.

Joss and Tim really need to find their shows in the first five minutes of the first episode. Without creating insurmountable marketing problems like alienating titles (BtVS), face removal scenes or premises summed up as "Joss's mind-wiped whores" (to quote one LJ).

Or start doing shows for HBO. Those fucking Fox development deals are a special kind of deal with the devil. "Here, become a multimillionaire and do what you want. However, we will crush all your hopes and dreams."

Actually, I guess that's the regular deal with the devil.


Steph L. - Feb 12, 2009 3:36:55 am PST #6915 of 10467
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Without creating insurmountable marketing problems like alienating titles (BtVS), face removal scenes or premises summed up as "Joss's mind-wiped whores" (to quote one LJ).

"Okay, it's about human trafficking, but not in a skeevy way! ...Well, okay it IS skeevy, but that's what we point out through the show! No, really! Just stick around to the second half of the season; if you can get through all the skeevy stuff for which there's no explanation, THEN it really gets going!"

Oh, Joss.

The Big Important Issues that he wants to address through the show *sound* very interesting. I just don't think that human trafficking of mind-wiped whores (or, given that they're described as "childlike" -- no, I'm not going there), is the best way to draw people in to your super-interesting issues.

I'm going to a Dollhouse party tomorrow night, and I'm hoping I don't get all squicked and freaky in front of relative strangers. I want the show to be good, but I'm so worried it's going to be skeevy.


Jessica - Feb 12, 2009 3:56:02 am PST #6916 of 10467
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

if you can get through all the skeevy stuff for which there's no explanation

The problem is that there are explanations and they're handled terribly. Maybe the show does get better as it goes along, but the premiere is one big giant "have my cake and eat it too"-fest. ("Look at my sexy sexy human trafficking victims! I obviously respect them as human beings even as I take away their agency and their clothes!")


Steph L. - Feb 12, 2009 4:11:26 am PST #6917 of 10467
I look more rad than Lutheranism

The problem is that there are explanations and they're handled terribly.

In the first episode? Dang. I want to give Joss points for effort, but when you blow up your microwave trying to cook a turkey in it, the destruction isn't really worth the effort, you know?


Stephanie - Feb 12, 2009 11:39:22 am PST #6918 of 10467
Trust my rage

Is this the Dollhouse thread? I thought it was minearverse but i can't remember what we consensed om.

eta: I'll just x-post. Day to Day review of Dollhouse (not all that great but fun to listen to)


Vortex - Feb 13, 2009 12:09:23 pm PST #6919 of 10467
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Uh oh-

Robert Pattinson, beware: The CW is planning to air a vampire series of its own. The new pilot is titled 'Vampire Diaries,' and is about a woman who can't decide between vampire brothers, according to Variety. 'Diaries' will be co-written by Kevin Williamson of 'Dawson's Creek' fame.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 13, 2009 12:17:16 pm PST #6920 of 10467
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Well, I suppose if nothing else it's appropriate for this sort of show to suck, given the subject matter...


Vortex - Feb 13, 2009 12:18:33 pm PST #6921 of 10467
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

And I know that I will at least watch the pilot. I also know that it will be crap, but the question is- will it be craptastic?