Kaylee: So, uh, how come you don't care where you're going? Book: 'Cause how you get there is the worthier part.

'Serenity'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


billytea - Aug 04, 2008 8:46:55 am PDT #6430 of 10467
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

The worst Angel episode ever is Dad. There are a lot of strong contenders for second-worst, including I Fall To Pieces and, well, A Hole in the Fucking World. But they're no Dad.

This is a view I can get behind.


Jon B. - Aug 04, 2008 8:51:49 am PDT #6431 of 10467
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Really? I just rewatched "Dad" recently and... I didn't hate it. "Happy Anniversary" I can get behind.


billytea - Aug 04, 2008 9:01:09 am PDT #6432 of 10467
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Really? I just rewatched "Dad" recently and... I didn't hate it. "Happy Anniversary" I can get behind.

Yeah. Didn't like the characterisation of Angel, didn't care about his quest for a college fund, it all felt rather aimless. Which is not to say I'd argue against the choice of Happy Anniversary.


le nubian - Aug 04, 2008 9:30:08 am PDT #6433 of 10467
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I do not remember "I Fall to Pieces" at all. Like it was erased from my memory.


Strega - Aug 04, 2008 10:05:06 am PDT #6434 of 10467

In Dad they came up with a secret plan to trick the bad guys which doesn't actually make any sense because the only people who were tricked by the plan don't do anything as a result of being tricked. Which makes it clear that the only reason for all the shenanigans is to trick the audience, because if the audience knew as much as ANY of the main characters, they'd be bored.

If the writers don't have to play fair at all, anything can be written off as "this was part of the secret plan you didn' tknow about" or "and then she woke up and Bobby was in the shower" or whatever. I just think that is an appalling cheat and a betrayal of the audience's trust, and it genuinely enrages me whenever I run across it in a TV show. I feel like Buffy did it at least once, too.

Oh yes, and plus, all the "we have a cunning secret plan" thing is just the surface action. The real core of the episode, the emotional story, is that Angel realizes that he has to share parental responsibility, and trust his friends with Connor. And that realization... also happens offscreen. Which is where I think it really earns the "worst ever" title.

I do not remember "I Fall to Pieces" at all. Like it was erased from my memory.

A man's jaw jumps out of his mouth! And flies through the air and almost bites Angel! It's awesome. And terrible. Both.


le nubian - Aug 04, 2008 10:21:50 am PDT #6435 of 10467
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

OMG. I do remember now...


victor infante - Aug 04, 2008 10:21:50 am PDT #6436 of 10467
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

though the bright shining moment of that was the Angel and Wesley spaz dances.

Yeah, that's kind of like the talent show stuff in the "Buffy" with the fucking puppet. The talent show stuff is brilliant, even if the A plot is horrid. It always made me hate Mutant Enemy more, because it prevented me from just outright loathing an episode.


Vonnie K - Aug 04, 2008 10:23:15 am PDT #6437 of 10467
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I don't remember "Dad" much, but I vaguely remember "Provider" was worse. Something in the tune of "family is more important than money, mm'Kay?" with a completely inane plot, which I don't recall much about.


P.M. Marc - Aug 04, 2008 10:59:47 am PDT #6438 of 10467
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Provider has Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Timex Guy. Automatic passing grade there.

Dad...

Twitch.

I'm going to vote A Hole in the World because it sparked the most rage in me, but She was appalling, and Happy Anniversary... yeah. Umm. Not what anyone would call good.


sumi - Aug 04, 2008 11:22:17 am PDT #6439 of 10467
Art Crawl!!!

Buffy Animated Trailer!!!!